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Y

May 15, 2015, 04:52:49 PM
I'm glad to see more people catching on to what I've know for a long time - professional sports is corrupt.

Pro sports is money, and money is capitalism, and capitalism is corrupt and a corrupting influence, ergo the corruption in sports - just like everything else capitalism touches.
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"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Henry Hawk

#1
May 15, 2015, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: Y on May 15, 2015, 04:52:49 PM
I'm glad to see more people catching on to what I've know for a long time - professional sports is corrupt.

Pro sports is money, and money is capitalism, and capitalism is corrupt and a corrupting influence, ergo the corruption in sports - just like everything else capitalism touches.

Now you had to go and ruin this by making it political.......NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE TIED TO POLITICS  :rolleyes:

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

#2
May 15, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
What was political about Y's statement?  He was referring to capitalism, not politicians. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Y

#3
May 15, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
Of course...capitalism is an economic system, but don't tell Hank that.  Things to Hank are what Hank wants them to be, not what they are.   :rolleyes:



It's to be expected.  <shrugs>
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Locutus

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May 15, 2015, 05:19:40 PM
:biggrin:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Y

#5
May 15, 2015, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 06, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
Everyone in the US "supports" capitalism. You think if you have religious or moral convictions you shouldn't have a business? I guess maybe you are right if you will compromise what you believe in.

Some of us quite unwillingly!

Correct!  Capitalism is both corrupt and corrupting.  Capitalism is at best amoral, and at worst immoral.  Therefore, how can any religious person - someone who is supposed to be 'moral' and following a supposed 'moral' code - be involved in, or be an adherent to, capitalism?

Of course one would be compromising their supposed religious beliefs - not that the religious tend to actually follow their beliefs, that's usually reserved for expecting such of others.

I don't understand how the religious don't gravitate towards communism/socialism.  Those are far more moral and equitable economic systems.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Henry Hawk

#6
May 15, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
Really?

Capitalism is...an economic and political system according to the dictionary... I said political....and that is what he did.

My only point is Y just loves to troll.....


Professional sports is not particularly any more corrupt than many college or even many high school sports......

Btw....capitalism is what made America great and the reason why you get to do the things you do.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Anne

#7
May 17, 2015, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: Y on May 15, 2015, 05:48:40 PM
Some of us quite unwillingly!

Correct!  Capitalism is both corrupt and corrupting.  Capitalism is at best amoral, and at worst immoral.  Therefore, how can any religious person - someone who is supposed to be 'moral' and following a supposed 'moral' code - be involved in, or be an adherent to, capitalism?

Of course one would be compromising their supposed religious beliefs - not that the religious tend to actually follow their beliefs, that's usually reserved for expecting such of others.

I don't understand how the religious don't gravitate towards communism/socialism.  Those are far more moral and equitable economic systems.

Maybe because communism has resulted in oppression, poverty, cruelty and corruption in every modern attempt. 
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

The Troll

#8
May 17, 2015, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 17, 2015, 05:00:07 PM
Maybe because communism has resulted in oppression, poverty, cruelty and corruption in every modern attempt.


  Anne, you just mentioned all of the bad things about predatory capitalism.  Let us pray, Anne.  :pray:

Y

#9
May 19, 2015, 03:44:15 PM
I've asked to have some posts moved here for discussion on this topic.  Hopefully it won't take too long and we can get at it.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#10
May 19, 2015, 04:17:31 PM
OK, cool, it's done. TYVM!
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

The Troll

#11
May 19, 2015, 04:24:28 PM
Quote from: Y on May 19, 2015, 03:44:15 PM
I've asked to have some posts moved here for discussion on this topic.  Hopefully it won't take too long and we can get at it.


  Y, I don't think you will get much discussion on Capitalism or Socialism from the Republicans of this topic.   :wink:  Because they don't know shit about anything.  Other than they get from Fox News and the Washington DC Republican Party.    :haha:  :rotfl:

Y

#12
May 19, 2015, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 15, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
Really?

Capitalism is...an economic and political system according to the dictionary... I said political....and that is what he did.

My only point is Y just loves to troll.....


Btw....capitalism is what made America great and the reason why you get to do the things you do.

1. Just because you did your usual and reached for the first thing you Googled up that you thought supported your position - and just as usual, you're wrong.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

Full Definition of CAPITALISM
:  an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Capitalism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the economic system.

Capitalism is an economic system and a mode of production in which trade, industries, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned.

2. Troll?!?  Like you?!?  I made a distinct observation on the corrupting influence of Capitalism, i.e.: money, on sports - just like it has on every other human activity.  Capitalism reduces most, if not all, human interactions to financial ones.

3. It's our Constitutional Republic form of government that is "the reason why you get to do the things you do."  It's not surprising that you can't tell the difference between a system of government and an economic system.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#13
May 19, 2015, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 17, 2015, 05:00:07 PM
Maybe because communism has resulted in oppression, poverty, cruelty and corruption in every modern attempt.

You, like Hank, either misconstrue or don't understand the difference between a system of government and an economic system.

The primary examples always thrown out disparaging 'communism' aren't 'communism' at all.  They're dictatorships.  Dictatorships using the facade of 'communism' to do the same thing the capitalists have done with capitalism - move a nation's wealth from the masses to the few, and exactly with the results you bring up.

Therefore, you can't blame that on the communist economic system.

The closest examples of pure communism that I'm aware of are the original Christian communities.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#14
May 19, 2015, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: The Troll on May 17, 2015, 06:23:13 PM

  Anne, you just mentioned all of the bad things about predatory capitalism.  Let us pray, Anne.  :pray:

Yup!

In a society, the object of an economic system is to benefit that society - NOT certain elements of that society. 

An economic system must be egalitarian - just like government and society.

If an economic system - or a governmental or societal system - is not egalitarian, then it either must be changed for another economic system or regulatory changes implemented to make that system egalitarian.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa
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