Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

[Exterminator]

Or how about if someone asked you to take a video of them taking a shit while they had diarrhea? 

[The Troll]

Sure, if everyone on here owned/operated a photography business and a member of the KKK wanted them to photograph a meeting cross/burning (I looked it up and if the cross burning can't be proved to be threatening is done on private property with the owner's permission in a spot not generally open to the public it is legal) how many would jump at that. What if someone wanted to film killing a bunch of pets at a shelter for their personal use, how would that set? Maybe a late term abortion. I didn't go back and read all of the previous posts so if these have already been discussed, I apologize.

Someone asked how catering is participating in an event. In my experience when you cater an event you provide the food and personnel and probably the plates, knives, forks, etc., and do the clean up. You are in a way participating personally in the celebration of the event. If you just drop the food off at the door it is something else, IMO.

  Anne, answer a question.  If a mother is going to have a baby and a test  proves that the child was going to be a homosexual.  Would you then believe in abortion of that child?   

[Palehorse]

  Anne, answer a question.  If a mother is going to have a baby and a test  proves that the child was going to be a homosexual.  Would you then believe in abortion of that child?   

Most excellent hypothetical inquiry Troll. . . 

[me]

Most excellent hypothetical inquiry Troll. . . 

Most stupid hypothetical question IMO. A hypothetical question which was only partially answered and then misrepresented is one of the problems with the pizza restaurant thing.

[The Troll]

Most stupid hypothetical question IMO. A hypothetical question which was only partially answered and then misrepresented is one of the problems with the pizza restaurant thing.

  Hi Baby Cakes, nice to hear from you.     

[me]

  Hi Baby Cakes, nice to hear from you.     

Why thank ya Troll. Nice to be back.... 

[Anne]

Or how about if someone asked you to take a video of them taking a shit while they had diarrhea? 

Another possibility, actually you can probably find quite a bit of that type of video on you tube. Not sure if someone would actually pay to have that video taken, though.

[Anne]

Most excellent hypothetical inquiry Troll. . . 

I don't support any abortions, as so aptly pointed out in other threads, not my baby, not my choice.

[Anne]

So, no one would have a problem participating in any of those three events? Interesting.

[The Troll]

I don't support any abortions, as so aptly pointed out in other threads, not my baby, not my choice.

  Don't support abortion, but support discrimination.  Let us pray.           

[Y]

Wow!  We are still on two different wave lengths.....NOBODY CAN DISCRIMINATE!!!!!!!!

But we all have our rights to not participate, even business owners, in anything that goes against their sincere belief.  Nobody has yet to turn away someone from their business strictly because they didn't like them......THAT is discrimination......why is this hard to follow?

No, you're wrong - as usual.  There's a big difference in the rights you have as a private individual and those held by becoming a public concern - a business.  I don't know why you folks can't get that through your head.

I know, I know, the Roberts court has done its damnedest to blur the line and muddy the waters, but they have yet to destroy that line.

'Sincere belief', don't make me laugh.  There's already been a myriad of examples that have been pointed out your inane 'sincere belief' is whatever one of those idiots wants to say it is.

Anyway, on the other issue, how do you know that no one has been 'turned away' on those grounds?

[Y]

Sure, if everyone on here owned/operated a photography business and a member of the KKK wanted them to photograph a meeting cross/burning (I looked it up and if the cross burning can't be proved to be threatening is done on private property with the owner's permission in a spot not generally open to the public it is legal) how many would jump at that. What if someone wanted to film killing a bunch of pets at a shelter for their personal use, how would that set? Maybe a late term abortion. I didn't go back and read all of the previous posts so if these have already been discussed, I apologize.

Someone asked how catering is participating in an event. In my experience when you cater an event you provide the food and personnel and probably the plates, knives, forks, etc., and do the clean up. You are in a way participating personally in the celebration of the event. If you just drop the food off at the door it is something else, IMO.

I think everyone on here knows of my opinions of racism and racists. 

Now let me tell you that I have on more than one occasion in my music career performed for the KKK, members of the KKK, and establishments tied to the KKK.  I wasn't being hired for either my opinions on racism, the KKK, or their actions/beliefs.  I was hired for my talent's entertainment value and that's it.

I also think everyone here knows my opinion of the religious ilk.

For the decade I had my music stores open, I did lots of business with churches and the religious - regardless that I find them to be corrupt, back stabbing, etc..  I stopped giving them credit, but I never stopped doing business with them.  They weren't interested in my opinions on religion or their actions/beliefs either.  They were interested in, and patronized my stores for, the products I had available, and that was it.

Most people here know I'm sort of a curmudgeon, and even though somewhat gregarious/talkative, not much of a people person - prolly from dealing with the public most of my life.

I performed for, and worked with, drunks most of my life, and even way back when I drank I never cared for most drunks.  Most drunks are neither fun nor enjoyable, and I never understood why anyone drank if it wasn't fun and/or it made you a person no one wanted to be around.  But, I wasn't being hired for my opinions or acceptance of drunks etc., I was hired, and worked with, for my talent and entertainment value.

I taught for about forty years, and there were plenty of folks I wouldn't have given the time of day to had it not been in a business transaction situation.


All of that is to point out the difference between personal beliefs (private) and business transactions (public), and how they are to be handled. 

As on this particular issue, you don't force your personal religious beliefs into business situations.  If you can't do that, then you don't belong in business...

...and as I've pointed out, if you're truly 'religious', what are you doing in business anyway - and why are you supporting Capitalism?

[Locutus]

I performed for, and worked with, drunks most of my life, and even way back when I drank I never cared for most drunks.  Most drunks are neither fun nor enjoyable, and I never understood why anyone drank if it wasn't fun and/or it made you a person no one wanted to be around. But, I wasn't being hired for my opinions or acceptance of drunks etc., I was hired, and worked with, for my talent and entertainment value.

[interjection]

"If you're an a$$hole drunk, it is not that the alcohol made you that way, it's because that's what you were before you got drunk."  --- followsthewolf

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[Anne]

I think everyone on here knows of my opinions of racism and racists. 

Now let me tell you that I have on more than one occasion in my music career performed for the KKK, members of the KKK, and establishments tied to the KKK.  I wasn't being hired for either my opinions on racism, the KKK, or their actions/beliefs.  I was hired for my talent's entertainment value and that's it.

I also think everyone here knows my opinion of the religious ilk.

For the decade I had my music stores open, I did lots of business with churches and the religious - regardless that I find them to be corrupt, back stabbing, etc..  I stopped giving them credit, but I never stopped doing business with them.  They weren't interested in my opinions on religion or their actions/beliefs either.  They were interested in, and patronized my stores for, the products I had available, and that was it.

Most people here know I'm sort of a curmudgeon, and even though somewhat gregarious/talkative, not much of a people person - prolly from dealing with the public most of my life.

I performed for, and worked with, drunks most of my life, and even way back when I drank I never cared for most drunks.  Most drunks are neither fun nor enjoyable, and I never understood why anyone drank if it wasn't fun and/or it made you a person no one wanted to be around.  But, I wasn't being hired for my opinions or acceptance of drunks etc., I was hired, and worked with, for my talent and entertainment value.

I taught for about forty years, and there were plenty of folks I wouldn't have given the time of day to had it not been in a business transaction situation.


All of that is to point out the difference between personal beliefs (private) and business transactions (public), and how they are to be handled. 

As on this particular issue, you don't force your personal religious beliefs into business situations.  If you can't do that, then you don't belong in business...

...and as I've pointed out, if you're truly 'religious', what are you doing in business anyway - and why are you supporting Capitalism?

Everyone in the US "supports" capitalism. You think if you have religious or moral convictions you shouldn't have a business? I guess maybe you are right if you will compromise what you believe in.

[Palehorse]

Maybe because communism has resulted in oppression, poverty, cruelty and corruption in every modern attempt.

I submit that the Tea Billies are looking to drive us toward the very same results.