A Christian Nation?

[Y]

You'll be lucky to get a response - much less a cogent response - from Hank.

Anyone with a modicum of sense and research ability knows that the Founding Fathers went to extremes to make certain religion wasn't the basis of our Republic.  They knew what religion had caused in Europe, and even in the Colonies and they made certain to avoid that fault.

Hell, the Colonies would have never gotten together into a single national government/nation had religion been involved as these RW/TP/Evangelicals continue to claim in defiance of reality/truth!

These religious nuts don't want accommodation, they want dominion when they're pushing for that phoney 'religious freedom' - and it's as much race based as it is authoritarian/religious.

[Bo D]

And YOU are doing the very thing you are claiming I am doing...

No ... I did that on purpose just to show you how drastically meanings can change when taken out of context.

What you did was post something .... "John Adams - The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." that was cobbled together from bits and pieces of sentences. I didn't accuse you of lying. You're too clueless to do that. But you passed on someone else's lie. And that, in a way, makes it your own.

[Henry Hawk]

Say what you will, but the FACTS support that this Nation WAS built on Christian and Godly principals. 

I'm not claiming anything other than the FACT our forefathers all recognized the importance of religion.  That there is great deal of evidence that America's Founders were influenced by Christian ideas.  At the very least, Christianity had a very significant influence on them. 

Y, you are dead wrong, most Christian Americans are NOT promoting dominion of their faith, but indeed they DO want accommodations kept in place.  We totally understand that our constitution wasn't designed only for fellow believers, but that  all men and women should be free to worship God (or not) as their consciences dictate...without interference of federal laws.

[Bo D]

I'm not claiming you are dead. Our forefathers all recognized the importance of influence on them.  They DO want accommodations.

Our constitution wasn't designed to worship God.

You wrote those very words. 

[Henry Hawk]

 

You obviously don't want to be logical about this.

I'm tapping out for the day.   

[Bo D]

You obviously don't want to be logical about this.

I'm tapping out for the day.   

What could be more logical?

[Exterminator]

Say what you will, but the FACTS support that this Nation WAS built on Christian and Godly principals.

Because that's the interpretation from someone who can barely read and you can bury him in evidence to the contrary and it won't change his thinking one iota. 

...most Christian Americans are NOT promoting dominion of their faith...

This is absolute, pure, unadulterated bullshit.

[Henry Hawk]

This is absolute, pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Is this your way of saying you disagree with me??

[Exterminator]

Is this your way of saying you disagree with me??

It's my way of saying that nothing would make Christians happier than to have their own version of Sharia law governing the country.

[Henry Hawk]

It's my way of saying that nothing would make Christians happier than to have their own version of Sharia law governing the country.

Not true, not true at all....

But you are entitled to YOUR opinion.   

[Exterminator]

But you are entitled to YOUR opinion.   

Is it incomprehensible to you why people would think that?

[Y]

Say what you will, but the FACTS support that this Nation WAS built on Christian and Godly principals.

Name one (singularly xtian/gawdly principle)?

Y, you are dead wrong, most Christian Americans are NOT promoting dominion of their faith, but indeed they DO want accommodations kept in place.

Hank, that's a flat out lie and you know it.  Ever since laws which had ensconced your 'faith' into the legal system have been struck down, repealed, or eliminated, you religious types have allied yourselves with RW politics and have been pushing your phoney 'religious' agenda back into the legal system. 

We totally understand that our constitution wasn't designed only for fellow believers, but that  all men and women should be free to worship God (or not) as their consciences dictate...without interference of federal laws.

What "federal laws" prevent you from 'worshiping' gawd as your consciences dictate - or even 'practice'?

An addendum:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know you stupid State's Righters are always whining about the Federal government, but you lost that war back in the mid 1800s and it was finally put to rest approximately a hundred years later. 

The Federal government must be overarching else we would be another Europe - a conglomeration of mini-countries with separate laws and governments instead of one nation with one set of laws and one government.  We can't be a singular nation and have the individual states acting as autonomous entities.

I don't know why you RW/TP/Evangelicals want to be, and remain, so deliberately STUPID!

[Henry Hawk]

Is it incomprehensible to you why people would think that?

Yes, because (MY OPINION, based upon people I know, and what I read) are NOT wanting our OWN version of Sharia Law.  Just to follow our Constitutional Rights....Our Founding Fathers separated church from state, that IS correct, but they did not separate God from state.  They acknowledged God (endowed by our Creator) as the source of our rights.

Thomas Jefferson,  himself said the following:

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...."   

"God who gave us life gave us liberty.  Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?"

I don't know HOW you can think likewise....

[Exterminator]

I don't know HOW you can think likewise....[/color]

Did you mean otherwise?  Couldn't those liberties have simply been bestowed by nature or is liberty the private domain of fictional characters?

[Henry Hawk]

Faith is a part of American Culture....this is a historically accurate truth...
Our Liberty is a gift from God and stated so in the Declaration of Independence...
The vast majority of our ancestors embraced Judea-Christian Values...
Abe Lincoln reminded us in the Gettysburg Address....that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom...
George Washington reminded us "It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to OBEY His will, to be GRATEFUL for His benefits, and HUMBLY to implore His protections and favor"...
John Winthrop, one of the first settlers, talked about American being that "Shining City on a Hill"...his reflection of One Nation Under God......

I am out of time, but MAN, I can go ALL DAY on this...there is zero doubt, we were founded by Godly men, with Godly intentions.