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I'm a life-long democrat. That doesn't mean I blindly accept everything liberal politicans say and do, but, Hillary Clinton is much more than a politician. She's a lawyer and one savvy experienced tough woman.

The following is from today's Washington Post:

Revelations may cloud Clinton's tenure at State

Will Clinton's experience be a liability?

Why Clinton's private e-mail address is bad news(1:21)
Hillary Clinton's private e-mail address that she used while secretary of state reinforces everything people don't like about her, argues The Post's Chris Cillizza, and is very dangerous to her presidential ambitions. (The Washington Post)

By Anne Gearan March 8 at 12:45 PM

Hillary Rodham Clinton's tenure as secretary of state was supposed to be a central argument for her forthcoming run for president. Her globe-trotting record as the nation's chief diplomat, her role championing women's empowerment and gay rights, and her experience on tough national security issues were all supposed to confer credentials that none of her possible GOP opponents would possess.

But over the past two weeks, with back-to-back revelations that she was working with foreign countries that gave millions of dollars to her family's charitable foundation and that she set up and exclusively used a private e-mail system, that argument has been put in peril.

Instead of a fresh chapter in which Clinton came into her own, her time as the country's top diplomat now threatens to remind voters of what some people dislike about her — a tendency toward secrecy and defensiveness, along with the whiff of scandal that clouded the presidency of her husband, Bill Clinton.

That side of Hillary Clinton also plays directly into the main Republican argument against her, that she is a candidate of "yesterday" — as Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida recently put it — who comes with decades of baggage the country no longer need carry.

"Part of the reason the story is gaining traction is that it reminds people of what the Clinton White House was like," said American University political science professor Jennifer Lawless. "It reminds people of the scandals, the secrecy and the lack of transparency that were often associated with Bill Clinton's eight years in Washington."

Clinton was already certain to face sharp questions during a presidential campaign about her handling of the deadly attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012. She has never been shown to have any direct role in events leading up to the deaths of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans, but an inquiry that Democrats call a fishing expedition has been given new life by the revelation that her e-mails were not immediately given to Congress.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), who chairs a special congressional committee on Benghazi, has subpoenaed Clinton's e-mails and plans to call her as a witness once his investigation is further along. That will mean a showdown in the middle of a presidential campaign in which she will be trying to reintroduce herself to voters.

"You do not need a law degree to have an understanding of how troubling this is," Gowdy said in a news conference last week.

Clinton has said nothing about the e-mail controversy beyond a tweet promising to seek to make the messages public. On Sunday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Clinton needs to talk in more detail about the issue. "From this point on, the silence is going to hurt her," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Clinton's problems at the State Department also make it easier for Republicans to connect her to what they see as President Obama's shaky foreign policy and his broken promise to operate the most transparent administration in history.

Even the smallest things are being looked at anew. The iconic image of her at the State Department, which she chose as her Twitter avatar, shows her seated aboard a military transport plane, reading something — perhaps e-mail — on her BlackBerry.

Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who is weighing a 2016 bid, cast her reliance on private ­e-mail as a serious security risk. "It's a little baffling, to be honest with you, that didn't come up in Secretary Clinton's thought process," the Republican said in a Friday radio interview.

And while Clinton remains the overwhelming favorite for her party's nomination, some Democrats last week were more open about their misgivings about her candidacy. On Friday night in New Hampshire, former Maryland governor Martin O'Malley, who might run against her, for the first time broke his silence on her use of the private e-mail account, saying that "openness and transparency are required of governing in the modern age."

Protected from politics
For Clinton, the State Department years were a kind of protective cocoon from partisan politics, even though she was a visible member of a Democratic administration that was doing regular battle with congressional Republicans.

She was rarely called upon to take public positions on partisan issues. Her history as a politically active first lady, senator and failed Democratic candidate for president were rarely mentioned in day-to-day news coverage of her trips and priorities as secretary.

Clinton's busy pace — she visited a record 112 countries — made it easy to deflect questions about the common assumption that she would make another run for the White House when her time at the State Department was over.

After leaving office, she wrote a memoir of her time at the State Department that was published last year. The book, "Hard Choices," marked her unmistakable entry into the 2016 presidential race and amounted to a virtual campaign manifesto.

"We have to use all of America's strengths to build a world with more partners and fewer adversaries, more shared responsibility and fewer conflicts, more good jobs and less poverty, more broadly based prosperity with less damage to our environment," Clinton wrote.

Clinton posted a Twitter message Wednesday night — two days into the e-mail controversy — saying she wants the public "to see my e-mails." She said she has asked the State Department to review them for release. That review could also establish whether she broke any rules about the handling of sensitive information.

The e-mail arrangement meant that Clinton's work ­e-mails were being routed through a private server in her Chappaqua, N.Y., home and were not being archived by the government as now required. She handed over 55,000 pages of e-mails upon the State Department's request last year, more than a year after she left her post.

She has not explained the reason for the un­or­tho­dox arrangement, and her husband declined to weigh in on Sunday. "I'm not the one to judge that. I have an opinion, but I have a bias," Bill Clinton said in response to a reporter's question during a Florida appearance, according to Bloomberg Politics. He added: "I shouldn't be making news on this."

The White House has distanced itself from the growing controversy. Obama said in an interview with CBS on Saturday that he did not know about Hillary Clinton's use of private e-mail until reading news reports last week.

"The president does have the expectation that everybody in his administration takes the steps that are necessary to be in compliance with the Federal Records Act and with the Presidential Records Act," White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Friday. "And again, that means using, as often as possible, using your official government e-mail when you're conducting official government business."

White House officials communicated with Clinton on her private account, and it is not clear that any White House official flagged the practice as a potential problem.

The e-mail revelation came after the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation acknowledged in February that it had accepted a foreign-government donation in 2010 without submitting it for an ethics review, as required in a 2008 agreement with the Obama administration.

The 2008 agreement had been reached to avoid the appearance of conflicts of interest while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state. Under the agreement, the foundation was to submit any donation from a foreign government that had not previously given money to the foundation.

The goal was to allow ethics officers to analyze whether it might appear that the government was trying to influence U.S. policy with a donation to a charity so closely linked to the nation's top diplomat.

The foundation told The Washington Post that it had failed to follow that process in the case of an unsolicited $500,000 donation from the government of Algeria to assist in earthquake relief in Haiti. The donation coincided with a spike in lobbying by Algeria, which was defending its human rights record to U.S. officials.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the donation did not pose a problem because U.S. support for rebuilding efforts in Haiti was well known before the Algerian donation came in.

Democrats react

Prominent Clinton backers have dismissed the recent controversies as minor distractions unimportant to voters and blamed the e-mail flap on a Republican attack machine. But other Democrats expressed exasperation at what they called a slow and ham-handed response to the e-mail controversy by her small group of advisers. There is no in-house, campaign-grade rapid-response operation, and outside defenders had little notice that a problem was brewing.

"I'd be surprised to find a lot of Democrats who think this is going to have a lot of legs," said one senior Democratic strategist who spoke on the condition of anonymity because Clinton is not yet a candidate. "But there is a level of angst and annoyance about how badly the thing has been mishandled."

Several Democrats said the controversy is being blown out of proportion and questioned whether Republicans are being subjected to the same level of scrutiny.

Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) said that Clinton has been aboveboard and that the controversy will quickly fade.

"She's not trying to hide anything," Sanchez said.

Anne Gearan is a national politics correspondent for The Washington Post.
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Henry Hawk

As the saying goes........."Follow the money"....

Lets wait and see how this plays out.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

. . .and that she set up and exclusively used a private e-mail system,. . .

She did not set it up. The United States Government set it up for the President of the United States, (her husband), when he was in office. And there were no security breaches. . .

. . .the main Republican argument against her, that she is a candidate of "yesterday" — as Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida recently put it . . .

As if Bush isn't twice the candidate of yesterday?  :roll eyes:  The GOP has a terminal case of Hypocrisy with a secondary and contributing condition called, "the no's".  :yes:

. . .Clinton was already certain to face sharp questions during a presidential campaign about her handling of the deadly attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012. She has never been shown to have any direct role in events leading up to the deaths of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans, but an inquiry that Democrats call a fishing expedition has been given new life by the revelation that her e-mails were not immediately given to Congress. . .

Oh boy, here we go again. Dig up that pulped and pureed dead horse and it's pal the Red Herring. More flotsam with which to scare the sheeple!  :roll eyes:

. . .Clinton has said nothing about the e-mail controversy beyond a tweet promising to seek to make the messages public. . .

More supposition and conjecture; which Ms Clinton nicely put to rest with this afternoon's statement. And she again, publicly, and in person, made the request to have the e-mails made public.  :razz:

. . .make it easier for Republicans to connect her to what they see as President Obama's shaky foreign policy and his broken promise to operate the most transparent administration in history. . .

Oh goody. Let's play connect the imaginary dots! Another dirty tricks tactic designed to scare the masses. Fact is this POTUS has been forced to undertake covert approaches toward his work by a hostile Congressional pack of wolves and liars. A little over 6 years of this crap to this point, with no end in sight. These jackwagons are desperate because they don't want to see another 4 years of democratic residency in the White House; making it 12 years in a row. Along the way they are ruining this country and the quality of life of its citizens!  :rant:

. . .Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who is weighing a 2016 bid, cast her reliance on private ­e-mail as a serious security risk. "It's a little baffling, to be honest with you, that didn't come up in Secretary Clinton's thought process," the Republican said in a Friday radio interview. . .

Really? What about daddy and brothers use of the same? You really need to listen to mommy Jeb; "This country has had enough Bushes in the White House!"

. . ."I'd be surprised to find a lot of Democrats who think this is going to have a lot of legs," said one senior Democratic strategist . . .

Think about it pal. We're talking the GOP, home of the new Closet Nazi Regime and ministry of propaganda. The champions of dirty tricks and mudslinging. They'll beat this dead horse until it comes back to life via evolution!  :roll eyes:

I cannot wait until they start opening up the closets of that gaggle of republican geese trying to obtain the tea-billy party nomination as candidate for President. There are going to be so many skeletons mucking about that it will make SH's mass graves look like a paper cut!
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

duke jupiter

To Ole' Duke Hillary is just a politician, no more, no less.

Best regards,
Duke (speakin' out of both ends  at the same time) Jupiter
Watch out for Goofy!

me

Quote from: Palehorse on March 10, 2015, 07:34:08 PM
. . .and that she set up and exclusively used a private e-mail system,. . .

She did not set it up. The United States Government set it up for the President of the United States, (her husband), when he was in office. And there were no security breaches. . .

. . .the main Republican argument against her, that she is a candidate of "yesterday" — as Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida recently put it . . .

As if Bush isn't twice the candidate of yesterday?  :roll eyes:  The GOP has a terminal case of Hypocrisy with a secondary and contributing condition called, "the no's".  :yes:

. . .Clinton was already certain to face sharp questions during a presidential campaign about her handling of the deadly attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012. She has never been shown to have any direct role in events leading up to the deaths of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans, but an inquiry that Democrats call a fishing expedition has been given new life by the revelation that her e-mails were not immediately given to Congress. . .

Oh boy, here we go again. Dig up that pulped and pureed dead horse and it's pal the Red Herring. More flotsam with which to scare the sheeple!  :roll eyes:

. . .Clinton has said nothing about the e-mail controversy beyond a tweet promising to seek to make the messages public. . .

More supposition and conjecture; which Ms Clinton nicely put to rest with this afternoon's statement. And she again, publicly, and in person, made the request to have the e-mails made public.  :razz:

. . .make it easier for Republicans to connect her to what they see as President Obama's shaky foreign policy and his broken promise to operate the most transparent administration in history. . .

Oh goody. Let's play connect the imaginary dots! Another dirty tricks tactic designed to scare the masses. Fact is this POTUS has been forced to undertake covert approaches toward his work by a hostile Congressional pack of wolves and liars. A little over 6 years of this crap to this point, with no end in sight. These jackwagons are desperate because they don't want to see another 4 years of democratic residency in the White House; making it 12 years in a row. Along the way they are ruining this country and the quality of life of its citizens!  :rant:

. . .Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who is weighing a 2016 bid, cast her reliance on private ­e-mail as a serious security risk. "It's a little baffling, to be honest with you, that didn't come up in Secretary Clinton's thought process," the Republican said in a Friday radio interview. . .

Really? What about daddy and brothers use of the same? You really need to listen to mommy Jeb; "This country has had enough Bushes in the White House!"

. . ."I'd be surprised to find a lot of Democrats who think this is going to have a lot of legs," said one senior Democratic strategist . . .

Think about it pal. We're talking the GOP, home of the new Closet Nazi Regime and ministry of propaganda. The champions of dirty tricks and mudslinging. They'll beat this dead horse until it comes back to life via evolution!  :roll eyes:

I cannot wait until they start opening up the closets of that gaggle of republican geese trying to obtain the tea-billy party nomination as candidate for President. There are going to be so many skeletons mucking about that it will make SH's mass graves look like a paper cut!
If memory serves me correctly the only place you could email from when he was in office was a pc and the net wasn't that busy so why did he need a private server?
Trump 2020

Bo D

Hillary is now saying that she used her private email account for "convenience."

"Looking back, it would have been better for me to use two separate phones and two separate e-mail accounts," Clinton said at a news conference following a speech at a U.N. conference on women's economic status. "I thought using one (mobile) device would be simpler. Obviously, it hasn't worked out that way."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/03/10/hillary-clinton-emails-state-department/24668715/

I don't know but I'm just sayin' ...

I have at least four separate email accounts that I check from just one phone.

Hmmm?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Locutus

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

It IS pretty funny!! 

The fact is, she is so full of shit, she thinks she can lie like her hubby and get away with it...

ie, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"....

But, NOTHING would surprise me, there are enough morons who would STILL vote for her as our next POTUS... :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

libby

I don't know where to start.  But will try. People working at her level, whether at State or elsewhere, leave it up to their security and protocol and other lesser "worker bee" people to keep them out of trouble. Where national security is concerned, they don't have a choice. They don't make the rules. 

So she used her personal phone and computer. In such a highly visible position, the best advice is "trust no one." With all that was going on, it's a wonder she had time to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom. Her hair alone should be evidence enough of the pressure she was under. 


All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
. . .
The fact is, she is so full of shit, she thinks she can lie like her hubby and get away with it...

. . .
:rolleyes:

That's right, slay the wife over the sins of the husband. . . :roll eyes:

Fact is there isn't a better candidate among the herd of GOP tea-Billies clamoring about to obtain the party nomination.  :no:

And the election process ALWAYS comes down to the lesser of two or more evils. . . ALWAYS!

I almost believe Biden could run against any one of them and win!  :icon_twisted:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Palehorse

Quote from: me on March 11, 2015, 01:33:40 AM
If memory serves me correctly the only place you could email from when he was in office was a pc and the net wasn't that busy so why did he need a private server?

I'd ask for a refund on that memory device. Blackberry debuted in 1996 as a pager/e-mail device, and morphed to the phone version rapidly. Palm Computing debuted the first version of what rapidly became the "Pilot" that same year.

That aside, I am sure that once Bill Clinton left the office in 2000, his home network, (Not the one at the WH), was set up and validated by the WH Security detail(S) assigned to him. (The danger doesn't end once you leave that place / office).
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2015, 06:11:32 PM
:rolleyes:

That's right, slay the wife over the sins of the husband. . . :roll eyes:

Fact is there isn't a better candidate among the herd of GOP tea-Billies clamoring about to obtain the party nomination.  :no:

And the election process ALWAYS comes down to the lesser of two or more evils. . . ALWAYS!

I almost believe Biden could run against any one of them and win!  :icon_twisted:
We will soon see won't we.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2015, 06:58:48 PM
We will soon see won't we.

Getting ready to sing that same song as last time?   ;D
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

Quote from: Locutus on March 11, 2015, 07:06:53 PM
Getting ready to sing that same song as last time?   ;D

And what song would that be?  :angel:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville