ISIS the killer Muslims in Iraq. What should America do?

[me]

Listen, especially around the 3 min mark, as to why Bush wouldn't withdraw and why Obama shouldn't have.  Now tell me again how the announcement of and early withdrawal didn't contribute to ISIS.
https://www.youtube.com/v/84ukJlcpqEY

[Locutus]

You're still forgetting who signed the withdrawal of troops agreement, and signed it after that little 'insightful' speech you cite above.  Here's a clue.  It wasn't Obama, despite the fact that you would like to lay blame at his feet. 

[me]

Man that blame others for this administrations mistakes sure runs rampant.  Who announced it to the world to gain political points and bring attention to themselves that they had fulfilled another promise? 

[Locutus]

Man that blame others for this administrations mistakes sure runs rampant.  Who announced it to the world to gain political points and bring attention to themselves that they had fulfilled another promise? 

I guess you're entitled to your misinformed opinions facts be damned. 

Iraq Status of Forces Agreement

From that article:

"The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[1] "

[Locutus]

I digress though.  That really wasn't the point in my comment regarding ISIS being a problem largely of our own making. 

[me]

Then what are you saying here?  In what way are we as Americans at fault for making ISIS a problem?  What do you think will make the ISIS problem go away? 

[Bo D]

Man that blame others for this administrations mistakes sure runs rampant.

Are you blind and deaf?

First of all you try to "blame" this administration by inferring that it was Obama who committed to the early withdrawal...

The advance announcement and early withdrawal of our troops contributed greatly to the ISIS problem.

When it was CLEARLY (as Locutus deftly pointed out) George W. Bush himself that announced, committed to and signed the agreement in 2008 for the early withdrawal.

That isn't blaming anyone but the guilty party.

Next .....

[Exterminator]

Are you blind and deaf?

First of all you try to "blame" this administration by inferring that it was Obama who committed to the early withdrawal...

When it was CLEARLY (as Locutus deftly pointed out) George W. Bush himself that announced, committed to and signed the agreement in 2008 for the early withdrawal.

That isn't blaming anyone but the guilty party.

Next .....

It does highlight, however, how completely uninformed conservatives are in general.  I see them posting all over Facebook about how Obama shouldn't have withdrawn the troops when the information is out there and easily accessible.

[Exterminator]

Then what are you saying here?  In what way are we as Americans at fault for making ISIS a problem?

We destabilized the entire middle east with our unnecessary war against Iraq.  As unattractive as Saddam was (after he was attractive) as a leader, he kept the various factions in check.  As much as we'd like to believe otherwise, sometimes with savages, a tyrant is needed to maintain order.

[Henry Hawk]

We destabilized the entire middle east with our unnecessary war against Iraq.  As unattractive as Saddam was (after he was attractive) as a leader, he kept the various factions in check.  As much as we'd like to believe otherwise, sometimes with savages, a tyrant is needed to maintain order.

You mean tyrants like Bashar al-Assad?

[me]

Now be fair and listen all the way through......
https://www.youtube.com/v/xf8wp_MTxF8

[Exterminator]

You mean tyrants like Bashar al-Assad?

I mean tyrants like any number of despots around the world, many of whom we seem perfectly ok with so long as they serve the big money interests who control our political system.

[Exterminator]

Now be fair and listen all the way through......

We've all seen your cutesy little neocon cobbled together video.   

[Bo D]

Now be fair and listen all the way through......
https://www.youtube.com/v/xf8wp_MTxF8

Please quit trying to defer attention from your lie. In the context of this conversation, it doesn't matter who took credit for ending the war. The fact is you blamed the the current administration for the current ISIS situation when you posted "The advance announcement and early withdrawal of our troops contributed greatly to the ISIS problem."

And now you are trying to cover your lie yet again.

[me]

Yes, maybe Bush did sign a paper saying it was going to be done but Obama announced "WHEN" it was going to be done and said there would be no boots on the ground.  He was more than willing to take credit but when it came time he, as well as some liberals, are wanting to place all the blame on Bush once again for things going wrong.
Listen to what Bush said in his speech again, if you even listened in the first place, and again it starts about the 3 min mark. 

https://www.youtube.com/v/84ukJlcpqEY