Ferguson, MO

[Y]

I have no problems with blacks rioting for the right reasons.

Yeah, of course you don't.   

It's just that an unwarranted confrontation initiated by a white policeman pushing his authority over an unarmed black teen where said white policeman chooses to take on the authority of judge, jury, and executioner - and that's not taking into consideration the history of racial issues in Ferguson - isn't the the 'right' reason, right?

[Purplelady1040]

Yeah, of course you don't.   

It's just that an unwarranted confrontation initiated by a white policeman pushing his authority over an unarmed black teen where said white policeman chooses to take on the authority of judge, jury, and executioner - and that's not taking into consideration the history of racial issues in Ferguson - isn't the the 'right' reason, right?

What if it had been a black police officer shooting a black teen or a white?  You do realize that has happened! Maybe more times than we hear about!

[The Troll]

The Grand Jury decides if enough evidence is given to have a trial at least here in Kentucky. I do know that a huge proportion of those incarcerated are of the black population and young men. I am not saying that all have committed a crime after all, DNA is now being used to prove many who were innocent but found guilty by a jury be released.  Thank goodness for that but that doesn't tarnish the fact that they were put in jail for something they shouldn't haven't been. It is a shame that many times it was guilty and not presumed innocent until they had a trial and decided that way.
Most Grand Jury meetings are done in secret, again. I can only say what happens in Kentucky because that is the way it works

  Hey, do you have a law degree to to with that college degree.    Why don't you give all of us a break.   

[Purplelady1040]

  Hey, do you have a law degree to to with that college degree.    Why don't you give all of us a break.   

No, had you been reading, you would have read where my job entailed me to work closely with law enforcement, and even lawyers and judges. I had to know the laws of Kentucky.

[Y]

The Grand Jury decides if enough evidence is given to have a trial at least here in Kentucky.

In Kentucky, there is a Felony Probable Cause Hearing where the prosecutor presents his/her case to the hearing judge, and if the judge concurs, THEN the charges are referred to the Grand Jury.

The Defendant can waive the Probable Cause Hearing.

[me]

Yeah, of course you don't.   

It's just that an unwarranted confrontation initiated by a white policeman pushing his authority over an unarmed black teen where said white policeman chooses to take on the authority of judge, jury, and executioner - and that's not taking into consideration the history of racial issues in Ferguson - isn't the the 'right' reason, right?

Should the officer have just let him walk away with the stolen merchandise?  Did he not have a right to ask, or even order, him to stop under the circumstances? Was Brown within his rights to charge at and fight the officer?  Is it ok that those rioters burn, loot, and tear up properties of people who had nothing to do with the incident.  Protesting is one thing but what is going on is totally wrong.

I have no problems with blacks rioting for the right reasons. I don't live in an all white neighborhood and blacks rioted for the right reasons to get their rights to  vote and be treated equally! By the way, I am sure that if the blacks did riot in our neighborhood that many whites would be along side with them but the fact is that many times when these riots take place that it is the locals who suffer. How about the blacks who protected a white business owners place of business from the riots in Ferguson. People come from out of town and out of state and start the rioting and the people living in one's town pay the consequences.

I don't think "Y" understands that Purplelady.  I believe he also thinks being on the side of the rioters would somehow exempt him from being a target at some point in time because he is "on their side". 

[Y]

What if it had been a black police officer shooting a black teen or a white?  You do realize that has happened! Maybe more times than we hear about!

See, that's what you don't get, and it shows you are fixated on race.

If all the factors of the incident are the same, the race of either the victim or the officer is immaterial to the real issue at hand - the abuse of power/authority and deadly force.

Now that's not to overlook the institutionalized racism inherent with white authority dealing with a minority populace, but that's not the overriding issue here.

[Purplelady1040]

In Kentucky, there is a Felony Probable Cause Hearing where the prosecutor presents his/her case to the hearing judge, and if the judge concurs, THEN the charges are referred to the Grand Jury.

The Defendant can waive the Probable Cause Hearing.

Charges are normally done in District Court if felonies and then moved up to Circuit Court. A Grand Jury meets once a month to decide if charges should go to trial. Grand Juries hear are done, behind closed door and unless you are a part of the Grand Jury you aren't allowed to enter the Grand Jury room. They don't normally call it a felony probable cause hearing. I guess to the casual observer it is called that but it all starts in District Court first and then bound over to the Grand Jury.

[Purplelady1040]

See, that's what you don't get, and it shows you are fixated on race.

If all the factors of the incident are the same, the race of either the victim or the officer is immaterial to the real issue at hand - the abuse of power/authority and deadly force.

Now that's not to overlook the institutionalized racism inherent with white authority dealing with a minority populace, but that's not the overriding issue here.

No, not fixated on race just asking what if he had been a black officer, a Hispanic officer or any officer of another color. There are a lot of officers of another color here and Louisville has more black officers than white. I was asking what your thoughts would be if this had been an officer of another color and doing it to their own color.

[Y]

Should the officer have just let him walk away with the stolen merchandise?  Did he not have a right to ask, or even order, him to stop under the circumstances? Was Brown within his rights to charge at and fight the officer?

We've already established that you really don't know anything about this incident, so you truly ought to stop digging and find out about it before you say anything else. 

1. That issue wasn't what initiated the confrontation.

2. When was the last time you ever heard of an officer that wasn't just pushing his authority make an issue and push a confrontation of jaywalking.  Be truthful now.

3. Of course not, don't be ridiculous...that is of course whether Wilson actually pulled his gun far earlier in the confrontation than he has claimed - or even fired earlier than he claimed.  Remember, Wilson made certain we don't have Brown's facts and perceptions.

[Y]

Charges are normally done in District Court if felonies and then moved up to Circuit Court. A Grand Jury meets once a month to decide if charges should go to trial. Grand Juries hear are done, behind closed door and unless you are a part of the Grand Jury you aren't allowed to enter the Grand Jury room. They don't normally call it a felony probable cause hearing. I guess to the casual observer it is called that but it all starts in District Court first and then bound over to the Grand Jury.

I'll refer you here:

http://www.louisvilleprosecutor.com/legal_system.htm

That's directly from the Commonwealth Attorney's Office - which I paraphrased...maybe you can argue with that office about how it should work since you think you know more than that office does.   

[Purplelady1040]

We've already established that you really don't know anything about this incident, so you truly ought to stop digging and find out about it before you say anything else. 

1. That issue wasn't what initiated the confrontation.

2. When was the last time you ever heard of an officer that wasn't just pushing his authority make an issue and push a confrontation of jaywalking.  Be truthful now.

3. Of course not, don't be ridiculous...that is of course whether Wilson actually pulled his gun far earlier in the confrontation than he has claimed - or even fired earlier than he claimed.  Remember, Wilson made certain we don't have Brown's facts and perceptions.

One thing is certain and that is we are never going to know what happened

[Y]

No, not fixated on race just asking what if he had been a black officer, a Hispanic officer or any officer of another color. There are a lot of officers of another color here and Louisville has more black officers than white. I was asking what your thoughts would be if this had been an officer of another color and doing it to their own color.

Asking that question points to you being fixated on race.  As I pointed out the race of either party is immaterial to the issue - the issue of abuse of power/authority and deadly force.

[Purplelady1040]

I'll refer you here:

http://www.louisvilleprosecutor.com/legal_system.htm

That's directly from the Commonwealth Attorney's Office - which I paraphrased...maybe you can argue with that office about how it should work since you think you know more than that office does.   

That is how it works in Louisville, even though Kentucky has a uniform statute of law, every county is different in the way it does things. I know you won't believe me but what happens in Louisville is totally different than what happens in say Bowling Green. They all follow the law but just do it different in each county. I am betting it is the same in every state.

[Purplelady1040]

Asking that question points to you being fixated on race.  As I pointed out the race of either party is immaterial to the issue - the issue of abuse of power/authority and deadly force.

Sorry. You think that but  wondering if it had been a black officer who did this to Brown would you think the same way? If been a white kid by a white officer, would you think the same thing?