Ferguson, MO

[Y]

I can't link on tablet but according to Mo. Law, the threat of force and then like I said even a shove of a store employee can be considered robbery. I am not trying to get out of linking the law but just can't on the tablet and hubby is using the computer to do some work. I don't really care what the skin color of anyone is but just had this kid complied with the law, he wouldn't have been killed.

The law isn't that Brown should have received the death penalty for what he did. 

Why is it so hard for you authoritarians to understand that?

[Y]

I could not say whether what the young kid says in his YouTube video appeals to all whites but I do agree that a lot of blacks, whites and pink polka dotted want handouts! I don't care what color your skin is, religious beliefs if you have them or not and sexual persuasion but people need to quit looking for handout by those of us who work for what we have.

You do understand that's a completely separate issue than the one we're discussing don't you?

If you want to discuss that issue, make a thread, I'll participate.

[Y]

I live next door to a 80+ year old black lady. She is the best neighbor we have ever had. We talk a lot about civil rights, discrimination and other politics and current events. She can't stand Obama, feels he is leading the Democratic party to hell but also feels that way with the Republican party, I had to agree. I asked her shortly after all this happened in Ferguson her views and she stated if the kid had done what was asked, the outcome would not have been what happened. She also said blacks want to blame everyone but themselves for being in prison, in the hood as she stated or wanting that handout! She is very opinonated on her beliefs but she is a great lady. When I first made the mistake of saying African American, she said that she was just an American and a black American, said she hasn't been to Africa and had no intentions of going there! Lol

Just so you know, PL, I don't put much stock in anecdotal claims/evidence and such.

[Purplelady1040]

The law isn't that Brown should have received the death penalty for what he did. 

Why is it so hard for you authoritarians to understand that?

I am by no way an authoritarian. Why is so hard for people to not comply with an officer's request.

[Purplelady1040]

You do understand that's a completely separate issue than the one we're discussing don't you?

If you want to discuss that issue, make a thread, I'll participate.

I would say it relates since some want to make this a race issue. How about the number of whites killed by people of other races and you don't see whites protesting about the out comes!

[Purplelady1040]

Just so you know, PL, I don't put much stock in anecdotal claims/evidence and such.

Yes. I can tell when evidence is presented that you disagree with it. Do you disagree with laws made by people also.

[me]

C'mon!  You can't tell me you haven't heard anything about Brown walking in the street - jaywalking?

As I pointed out, IIRC, the owner/employee 'assaulted' Brown first. 

Pulll-eeeze!  It was basically a shoving match.  Stop trying to conflate it to something big and scary that it wasn't.

He was stealing from the man so the man.  You are trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy for going after his merchandise.  All I have heard was walking down the street which could mean on the sidewalk.  A lot of people say walking down the street and don't mean the street proper.  I have never heard anyone use the term jaywalking.

[libby]

  Well, hello Y.  I have been hoping you'd join us again. Sorry I disappointed you, but don't intend to try to answer you point by point because I am absolutely no good at the quick retort -- unless I shoot to kill (metaphorically) -- so, glad you've joined us and hope we keep you entertained or irritated enough to make you want to stay. 

[me]

You do understand that's a completely separate issue than the one we're discussing don't you?

If you want to discuss that issue, make a thread, I'll participate.

It does relate because Brown was taking what wasn't his and felt he was entitled to it.  No, that in itself doesn't deserve the death penalty but the fact he was lunging at the officer, bullet entry point in top of head exit point back of neck, is grounds for the officer to protect himself by using force, keep in mind the size difference between Brown and the officer. 

[Y]

I am by no way an authoritarian. Why is so hard for people to not comply with an officer's request.

1. I'm certain you don't see the irony in that or you wouldn't have posted it.

2. Officers rarely 'request' - and Wilson certainly didn't - they order.  A 'request' may be refused.

[Y]

I would say it relates since some want to make this a race issue. How about the number of whites killed by people of other races and you don't see whites protesting about the out comes!

And that's also another issue altogether.

Why do you insist on avoided the real issue of Ferguson?

[Purplelady1040]

He was stealing from the man so the man.  You are trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy for going after his merchandise.  All I have heard was walking down the street which could mean on the sidewalk.  A lot of people say walking down the street and don't mean the street proper.  I have never heard anyone use the term jaywalking.

I am not sure what jaywalking is there. In Kentucky, it is cutting across the street and not by the light or cross-walk. It is still called jaywalking but not many of the officers that I know even write a ticket for it! Heck, some of them do it also!

[Purplelady1040]

And that's also another issue altogether.

Why do you insist on avoided the real issue of Ferguson?

The real issue has been addressed. A thug regardless of skin color tried to get by with something and didn't. He refused to comply with a simple request. By the way, this thug kid had a record. What about his step-father saying to burn Ferguson down. He was inviting those to riot and probably should have been charged. I can understand they are upset, they lost a child but that doesn't give them the right to say burn the town down! How about the issue that the media released Wilson's address and what if he had been killed by a lynch mob. Would you say well, he got what he deserved or would you want those who did it brought to justice?

[Y]

Yes. I can tell when evidence is presented that you disagree with it. Do you disagree with laws made by people also.

I tried to put it nicely, but it's like this: when people start pulling out anecdotal claims like "my neighbor is black" or "I have a black friend" etc., you can usually lay money that those claims aren't true.  Those claims are typically a means to make one not appear racist and misappropriate some fraudulent authority to his/her position.

Ask anyone here, I'm ALL about evidence, but anecdotal claims AREN'T evidence.

[Purplelady1040]

1. I'm certain you don't see the irony in that or you wouldn't have posted it.

2. Officers rarely 'request' - and Wilson certainly didn't - they order.  A 'request' may be refused.

Then I would say, you must not know !any officers. I know city, county and state officers and have seen them say that they are requesting that so and so do such and such. When the person fails to comply with the request than they order.