Purplelady vs Troll vs Purplelady

[The Troll]

The only problem with cops like him is that he gives good cops a bad name. My ex brother in law is a retired drug detective and was one of the good cops. I know a lot of good cops but it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch.

  I think all cop have a bad streak.   And they all protect and give cover for the really bad cops.  As we all know the Blue Code, surround and protect a brother cop.  Just like the drunk cop in Indianapolis.   

[Bo D]

  I think all cop have a bad streak.   And they all protect and give cover for the really bad cops.  As we all know the Blue Code, surround and protect a brother cop.  Just like the drunk cop in Indianapolis.   

Wrong, fartbreath

[The Troll]

Wrong, fartbreath

  Tell me now I'm wrong scumbag cop lover.   

[Bo D]

  Tell me now I'm wrong scumbag cop lover.   

My brother was a cop. Died in the line of duty. Do you want to keep this going?

[Purplelady1040]

Sorry about your brother and there are some good cops out there who don't protect the bad cops. It is like I said one bad cop gives the rest of them a bad name and lets see- house gets broke into, who are you going to call- the cops, a car wreck happens, cops are called, a murder happens and cops are called. Funny, those who often criticize the cops are the ones who call them first.

[The Troll]

My brother was a cop. Died in the line of duty. Do you want to keep this going?

  You started the name calling.  It's to bad that your brother died, I don't think anyone should die on the job.  But I'll bet he told you some people he fucked up.  I heard the cop tales of hurting someone just to be mean.  The cop who told me was a cop for many years and I don't think he lied about it and he was a cop in Indianapolis in the black area.   Yes he was racist. 

[Palehorse]

  I think all cop have a bad streak.   And they all protect and give cover for the really bad cops.  As we all know the Blue Code, surround and protect a brother cop.  Just like the drunk cop in Indianapolis.   

Perhaps the term I used in the title of this thread has misled some of the readers here, so let me clarify my position on this subject.

My use of the word "scumbag cop" was intended to be sarcastic; although in hindsight I do not see how anyone would have taken that inference from what I posted here to this point. So for that I apologize to anyone who may have taken the slightest level of offense from my contributions to this thread to this point.

Scumbag cop is the lazy individual's way of describing a law enforcement officer that "goes bad", and my use of the term herein makes me guilty of painting a noble, and very necessary profession and all of its members, with a brush loaded with the broad strokes of ignorance. Something I personally detest, and for which I say again, I am profusely sorry. It was not my intention, however it is the reasonable inference I would take from things to this point. . .

I personally count a large number of family members that have, and currently, work within law enforcement at the local, county, state, and federal levels. I count a number of additional law enforcement officers as personal friends and neighbors as well. None of them are scumbag cops, and by and large most of their co-workers aren't either.

I in no way am defending the Edgewood or Indianapolis officers mentioned in this thread, for what both of them have done. Each of these cases are, in my mind, inexcusable, and represent an egregious violation of public trust at the very least, as well as criminal violations against the law. And unfortunately there seems to be a disturbing rise in the incidence rate when it comes to cases like this, and one has to ask why?

They spend a decade or more wading through and herding human scum; and at times the very same individuals multiple times. They see these individuals driving high end, luxury vehicles, wearing designer clothes, and living in homes that are decorated to the nines; and the whole time they struggle to make ends meet at home, work long hours, and endure personal relationship turmoil.

My theory is that at some point every single human being reaches their limitation, and with it they are presented with a crossroads; their perception of which is clouded by the noise of the personal and professional conflict they have endured to that point. Some choose substance abuse, some, and sadly a fractional percentage of them, seek professional help, and some choose to travel the path of crime as a means to "even up" the inadequacy of their compensation and quality of life in comparison to the criminal sewage they deal with every day.

I've said for years that our society pays woefully little attention to the quality of life of those who choose to protect and serve; whether it be within the city, state, or federal law enforcement agencies, or the military of this nation. These men and women see the very worst that humanity has to offer, and some of them on a daily basis and all day/night long.

We only recently began recognizing PTSD within our members of the military returning from combat, and yet there is little to no recognition of it within our law enforcement personnel. And these men and women face combat situations every single day/night, and frequently without warning. How would any of us like to wade into a scene like what just transpired in Pittsburgh, or Boston, Oklahoma City, etc.? How do you feel that would change you with just one incident like these? How would it change you if you went through a decade of more of these kinds of events, but on a smaller scale? A woman holding her entrails that her life partner sliced free. A man holding a weapon to a toddler's throat. An armed robbery gone wrong in which 4 people were shot at point blank range and killed.

The slaughter is ongoing across this nation, and only getting worse. Is it reasonable to expect that the men and women we pay to police such situations endure it unscathed, unchanged, and unmoved? Do the various law enforcement entities truly care about the quality of life of the men and women that work there, or are they just paying it lip serve?

Most law enforcement entities do a good job of candidate screenings, running prospective candidates through a gauntlet of physical and psychological regimens designed to ferret out those whose physical or mental constitutions represent an unacceptable level of flaws, and by and large they do a good job of it. However, no system is perfect, and there is an error rate. Fortunately a number of these are caught early into their service and they are culled from the ranks.

But, there is little ongoing, long-term analysis being undertaken over the course of any officers long-term career tenure, to identify symptoms of decline surrounding performance, attitude, and overall fitness for duty. Appraisals pay more attention to production numbers on traffic citations, conviction rates, training scores, and dress code adherence, than state of mind, mental well being, and quality of life.

The long term impact upon the human psych, of enduring wading through the worst humanity can serve up, is paid lip-service, and acknowledged via a mostly voluntary psychologist being made available to those who feel they are in need. Little to no mandatory intervention is undertaken, and when it is it is typically only following an incident that exposes the city/town/state, or federal entity to legal liability. Nothing proactive for the most part.

Sure, there are individuals wearing a badge and a gun who clearly should not. It is bound to happen. But how many of them started out as the compassionate and caring individual that desired only to pursue a career in service of their community, hoping to help those in need, and save those need saving, only to be corrupted by the long term exposure to the underbelly of society?

We should not be so quick to whip out that brush, loaded with the broad strokes of ignorance, and paint all of them with it over the actions of a fractional percentage of the whole; and of that I stand guilty of herein. Unintended, but ignorance is no excuse.

For that I am sincerely sorry.

[Palehorse]

  You started the name calling.  It's to bad that your brother died, I don't think anyone should die on the job.  But I'll bet he told you some people he fucked up.  I heard the cop tales of hurting someone just to be mean.  The cop who told me was a cop for many years and I don't think he lied about it and he was a cop in Indianapolis in the black area.   Yes he was racist. 

You are WAY out of line here Troll. While I support your right to hold an opinion and state it, that doesn't include inference that someone of which you have zero personal knowledge, was a thug, just because s/he held a law enforcement position. Especially when the target is the deceased sibling of an individual I consider a personal friend.

The fact is, the man you attempt to sully the reputation of in your post above, was an honorable law enforcement officer that lost his life in the performance of his duty; which he swore an oath to do, even if it cost him his life. Which it did. He was not a thug, he was not a criminal, he was an officer of the law; and he performed his duty to the best of his ability and paid the ultimate price in the process.

I know this for a fact, and it is why I attempted to explain myself in the previous post as a means of preventing you from saying the heartless things you in fact said, just before my post went up.

The fact is, you are doing exactly what I accuse myself of doing within that post, and for which I have apologized for it was not my intention.

I agree, there are problem officers across this nation, but when one takes the time to do the math it is apparent that those who take their responsibilities and oaths seriously, and perform their duty in the caring and respectful level of professionalism required, represent the overwhelming majority of the profession. To paint them all as bad is patently unfair and wrong.

[Purplelady1040]

Good posts, Palehorse and I agree that to paint them all is wrong! I know cops who would bend over backwards to do what is right. Around here, we have cops who have taken families food, shopping for Christmas present and even one cop, paid for a person to have some medication that they had to have!

[Palehorse]

Bo D:

I sincerely apologize for my callous and heartless approach in posting on this subject initially. I'm an asshole, but I didn't mean to be. . . And I mean it with all sincerity Dude.

[Purplelady1040]

You are a good guy!! You were pointing out one bad cop and not all cops are bad cops. My ex brother in law wasn't and neither was Bo D's. You have shown what a class act you are in just the fact that you apologized. 

[Palehorse]

You are a good guy!! You were pointing out one bad cop and not all cops are bad cops. My ex brother in law wasn't and neither was Bo D's. You have shown what a class act you are in just the fact that you apologized. 

Thank you Purplelady, but I really screwed the pooch here.

I consider Bo D a personal friend, and one that took the time to encourage me and provide support during a serious health scare I endured a little over a year ago. I would NEVER intentionally do anything to offend him, and while I hope he knows this, it doesn't decrease the ignorance I am guilty of with this.

I knew about his brother and what happened, and I just have no excuse for my behavior. I am truly ashamed and I can only hope that he took no offense, or that if he did he can find the means to forgive me this transgression.

[libby]

Perhaps the term I used in the title of this thread has misled some of the readers here, so let me clarify my position on this subject.

My use of the word "scumbag cop" was intended to be sarcastic; although in hindsight I do not see how anyone would have taken that inference from what I posted here to this point. So for that I apologize to anyone who may have taken the slightest level of offense from my contributions to this thread to this point.

Scumbag cop is the lazy individual's way of describing a law enforcement officer that "goes bad", and my use of the term herein makes me guilty of painting a noble, and very necessary profession and all of its members, with a brush loaded with the broad strokes of ignorance. Something I personally detest, and for which I say again, I am profusely sorry. It was not my intention, however it is the reasonable inference I would take from things to this point. . .

I personally count a large number of family members that have, and currently, work within law enforcement at the local, county, state, and federal levels. I count a number of additional law enforcement officers as personal friends and neighbors as well. None of them are scumbag cops, and by and large most of their co-workers aren't either.

I in no way am defending the Edgewood or Indianapolis officers mentioned in this thread, for what both of them have done. Each of these cases are, in my mind, inexcusable, and represent an egregious violation of public trust at the very least, as well as criminal violations against the law. And unfortunately there seems to be a disturbing rise in the incidence rate when it comes to cases like this, and one has to ask why?

They spend a decade or more wading through and herding human scum; and at times the very same individuals multiple times. They see these individuals driving high end, luxury vehicles, wearing designer clothes, and living in homes that are decorated to the nines; and the whole time they struggle to make ends meet at home, work long hours, and endure personal relationship turmoil.

My theory is that at some point every single human being reaches their limitation, and with it they are presented with a crossroads; their perception of which is clouded by the noise of the personal and professional conflict they have endured to that point. Some choose substance abuse, some, and sadly a fractional percentage of them, seek professional help, and some choose to travel the path of crime as a means to "even up" the inadequacy of their compensation and quality of life in comparison to the criminal sewage they deal with every day.

I've said for years that our society pays woefully little attention to the quality of life of those who choose to protect and serve; whether it be within the city, state, or federal law enforcement agencies, or the military of this nation. These men and women see the very worst that humanity has to offer, and some of them on a daily basis and all day/night long.

We only recently began recognizing PTSD within our members of the military returning from combat, and yet there is little to no recognition of it within our law enforcement personnel. And these men and women face combat situations every single day/night, and frequently without warning. How would any of us like to wade into a scene like what just transpired in Pittsburgh, or Boston, Oklahoma City, etc.? How do you feel that would change you with just one incident like these? How would it change you if you went through a decade of more of these kinds of events, but on a smaller scale? A woman holding her entrails that her life partner sliced free. A man holding a weapon to a toddler's throat. An armed robbery gone wrong in which 4 people were shot at point blank range and killed.

The slaughter is ongoing across this nation, and only getting worse. Is it reasonable to expect that the men and women we pay to police such situations endure it unscathed, unchanged, and unmoved? Do the various law enforcement entities truly care about the quality of life of the men and women that work there, or are they just paying it lip serve?

Most law enforcement entities do a good job of candidate screenings, running prospective candidates through a gauntlet of physical and psychological regimens designed to ferret out those whose physical or mental constitutions represent an unacceptable level of flaws, and by and large they do a good job of it. However, no system is perfect, and there is an error rate. Fortunately a number of these are caught early into their service and they are culled from the ranks.

But, there is little ongoing, long-term analysis being undertaken over the course of any officers long-term career tenure, to identify symptoms of decline surrounding performance, attitude, and overall fitness for duty. Appraisals pay more attention to production numbers on traffic citations, conviction rates, training scores, and dress code adherence, than state of mind, mental well being, and quality of life.

The long term impact upon the human psych, of enduring wading through the worst humanity can serve up, is paid lip-service, and acknowledged via a mostly voluntary psychologist being made available to those who feel they are in need. Little to no mandatory intervention is undertaken, and when it is it is typically only following an incident that exposes the city/town/state, or federal entity to legal liability. Nothing proactive for the most part.

Sure, there are individuals wearing a badge and a gun who clearly should not. It is bound to happen. But how many of them started out as the compassionate and caring individual that desired only to pursue a career in service of their community, hoping to help those in need, and save those need saving, only to be corrupted by the long term exposure to the underbelly of society?

We should not be so quick to whip out that brush, loaded with the broad strokes of ignorance, and paint all of them with it over the actions of a fractional percentage of the whole; and of that I stand guilty of herein. Unintended, but ignorance is no excuse.

For that I am sincerely sorry.

Eloquent, PH!

[The Troll]

You are WAY out of line here Troll. While I support your right to hold an opinion and state it, that doesn't include inference that someone of which you have zero personal knowledge, was a thug, just because s/he held a law enforcement position. Especially when the target is the deceased sibling of an individual I consider a personal friend.

The fact is, the man you attempt to sully the reputation of in your post above, was an honorable law enforcement officer that lost his life in the performance of his duty; which he swore an oath to do, even if it cost him his life. Which it did. He was not a thug, he was not a criminal, he was an officer of the law; and he performed his duty to the best of his ability and paid the ultimate price in the process.

I know this for a fact, and it is why I attempted to explain myself in the previous post as a means of preventing you from saying the heartless things you in fact said, just before my post went up.

The fact is, you are doing exactly what I accuse myself of doing within that post, and for which I have apologized for it was not my intention.

I agree, there are problem officers across this nation, but when one takes the time to do the math it is apparent that those who take their responsibilities and oaths seriously, and perform their duty in the caring and respectful level of professionalism required, represent the overwhelming majority of the profession. To paint them all as bad is patently unfair and wrong.

  To state a fact, I don't like any authority figures who abuse their powers.  This alone, I do not like the new paramilitary equipped , military trained, shoot to kill bully cops, SWAT teams being number one. 
 
  I get sick of of the mamby pamby cry babies who cry how bad these cops have it.    This job was chosen by these people, who loves power, loves to carry the guns and naturally nibby sticking their nose in every bodies business and I do mean every bodies business.  These cops were not drafted, if they can't obey the laws themselves, QUIT!.  Being a cop today is like belonging to a rouge motorcycle club where they can beat up, tear up and kill anyone, but as a cop they aren't arrested and receive awards for the most tickets, arrest and convictions.  On top of that they are liars which the law says they can lie, which they use all of the time, even in court to make their case better.  If you don't believe me just go to YouTube and look at "cop Stop" "Cop Block" and Bad cops.  I would like to know how many people are killed by cops each year.  They claim the don't keep record the number of cop killings.   

  Defend them all you want, but America is becoming a police state with illegal check points, searches, false arrest and violent abuse, just go to YouTube and just check.  We got a lot of bad criminal cops and it's getting worse.   

[The Troll]

  John Winkler TV 'Tosh O' producer shot and killed 'accidentally' by LASD killer cops.     Another shoot to kill and ask questions after they kill another American citizen.