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'Faith' As Morality?!?

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Locutus

#30
May 15, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 15, 2014, 12:11:32 PM
What did I say that SCORNED science and education?

Nothing.

I was speaking in generalities.  Science and education are scorned somewhat in this country. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

#31
May 15, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 15, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
Nothing.

I was speaking in generalities.  Science and education are scorned somewhat in this country. 

I 100% agree with you, but probably for different reasons.... :yes: ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

#32
May 15, 2014, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 15, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
I 100% agree with you, but probably for different reasons.... :yes: ;)

Examples?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Bo D

#33
May 15, 2014, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 15, 2014, 11:59:41 AM
That's why we're totally screwed unless we can educate the public and especially the children.

I'm getting old and tired of fighting ignorance. I don't think I have the stamina anymore. I'll keep trying with my grandchildren if needed. But I doubt I will be needed. I We raised my daughters correctly. They are very capable of carrying on.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#34
May 15, 2014, 12:46:06 PM
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#35
May 15, 2014, 01:06:39 PM
WTF?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#36
May 15, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
I realize that is not real clear, and perhaps I was going a different way than Locutus was leaning....but, regarding education....the NEA, in my opinion, is a bad mark against our educational system.  The children are NOT first and foremost with them.....and it is screwing them out of being properly educated.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#37
May 15, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
And you're basing that judgement on what?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#38
May 15, 2014, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 15, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
And you're basing that judgement on what?


On that it is more of a lobbying group and more concerned with the federal government involvement and keeping worthless teachers employed rather than spending the money on the kids.  $50 million just in political activities and lobbyists.  That is how I am basing my judgement.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#39
May 15, 2014, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 15, 2014, 01:25:00 PM
On that it is more of a lobbying group and more concerned with the federal government involvement and keeping worthless teachers employed rather than spending the money on the kids.  $50 million just in political activities and lobbyists.  That is how I am basing my judgement.

  But Henry, I hate to say this again, you are a Scab and you hate unions.   :yes:  Just look at the states that are controlled by Republican governors.  :eyes:  The first thing they do is kill the unions, cut wages of the teachers and cut money to public education and take money from public schools and give to a profit based Charter Schools.   :mad: :mad:

  And guess what they still have bad teachers, many are friends of the same politicians who cut the school budgets.   :mad: :mad:  Education should not be a profit based enterprise.   :yes:  The first thing these Charter Schools is cut the amount of education so they can make more profit and more money for is top leaders and CEO.   :mad:

  Think   :whatever: :think: :idea3: Henry.  :doh:

Henry Hawk

#40
May 15, 2014, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: The Troll on May 15, 2014, 01:39:11 PM
  But Henry, I hate to say this again, you are a Scab and you hate unions. 

Not completely true Troll.  I think the IBEW is a very decent union.  I despise the UAW for the very reasons PH mentioned...."You and your generation, sold out their future in favor of your own"...it became very, very greedy and NOW WE are paying the price for that greediness.

Quote from: The Troll on May 15, 2014, 01:39:11 PM
:yes:  Just look at the states that are controlled by Republican governors.  :eyes:  The first thing they do is kill the unions, cut wages of the teachers and cut money to public education and take money from public schools and give to a profit based Charter Schools.   :mad: :mad:

  And guess what they still have bad teachers, many are friends of the same politicians who cut the school budgets.   :mad: :mad:  Education should not be a profit based enterprise.   :yes:  The first thing these Charter Schools is cut the amount of education so they can make more profit and more money for is top leaders and CEO.   :mad:

  Think   :whatever: :think: :idea3: Henry.  :doh:

GOP Governors merely want to return the powers of decision for education back to the State and Local levels, which is where is should be. 

The NEA spends hundreds of millions on everything BUT the kids.  $50 million just in political action and lobbyists. 

You complain about Charter Schools overpaying CEO's but don't mention one thing about a failing teacher being overpaid.  You may be right that CEO's are being overpaid....and that may be very wrong if they are.  But we need results, and since the NEA has been around, we have been sucking hind tit on education.  There MIGHT JUST be a problem there.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#41
May 15, 2014, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 15, 2014, 02:45:42 PM
Not completely true Troll.  I think the IBEW is a very decent union.  I despise the UAW for the very reasons PH mentioned...."You and your generation, sold out their future in favor of your own"...it became very, very greedy and NOW WE are paying the price for that greediness.


GOP Governors merely want to return the powers of decision for education back to the State and Local levels, which is where is should be. 

The NEA spends hundreds of millions on everything BUT the kids.  $50 million just in political action and lobbyists. 

You complain about Charter Schools overpaying CEO's but don't mention one thing about a failing teacher being overpaid.  You may be right that CEO's are being overpaid....and that may be very wrong if they are.  But we need results, and since the NEA has been around, we have been sucking hind tit on education.  There MIGHT JUST be a problem there.

  What do you mean that you are reaping the loss from the auto unions getting in good contract for their working people.  :doh:  I don't think you have suffered one moment.  :rant:  I know your dad is not suffering.   :yes:  But the auto worker have gave up concessions and wages and benefits, so what are you still bitching about.   :rolleyes: :sarcasm:

  You keep talking about bad teachers, just what percent of bad teachers are there.  I hear of no bad teachers here in my school district or Pendleton or Fortville or Noblesville, there might be some bad ones in Anderson, but that would be a teeny tiny small percent.  Again and pardon my old statement, Henry you don't know shit and what you hear comes from Turdblossom Rove, Hannity, Glen Beck and Fox News.   :busted:
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