'Faith' As Morality?!?

[The Troll]

That pretty much sums it up IMHO

  Now this one thing I can agree with you on, good work  

[me]

 

  Now this one thing I can agree with you on, good work  

[Henry Hawk]

To me those comments say that a crutch is required to face the reality of the world as it is.

What is there to fear about this world and form of existence being all there is?

Why do you need an authoritarian, daddy - yeah, always male - figure, and his son somewhere up there in the sky to enable you to do, be, and feel all those things? 

Why do you have to limit this amazing and wonderful universe and our place in it to some petty jealous god and demi-god, based on exaggerated versions of ourselves, who supposedly rule the entire universe, but are so inept this one small planet can't be run to their tale of heaven.

I just don't get it, and never have.

and that is okay........you don't HAVE to get it.  But, the fact is there was indeed a Jesus.  Nobody says you HAVE to believe in His teachings, but nearly 4 BILLION people who have lived and died, decided to believe it.  No one person is as famous as Jesus.  There is not ONE person who has changed the world as did this guy.  We date our calendars based upon His existence.  He was/is an amazing teacher of morals.  I could go on and on...but for me, it is easy to get.  Not at all complicating.

[The Troll]

and that is okay........you don't HAVE to get it.  But, the fact is there was indeed a Jesus.  Nobody says you HAVE to believe in His teachings, but nearly 4 BILLION people who have lived and died, decided to believe it.  No one person is as famous as Jesus.  There is not ONE person who has changed the world as did this guy.  We date our calendars based upon His existence.  He was/is an amazing teacher of morals.  I could go on and on...but for me, it is easy to get.  Not at all complicating.

  And also 4 billion people believe the earth is only 4,000 years old.  Dinosaurs where here at the same time people was here.    And prayers really work.   Who wrong about this.  Hummmmmmmm. 

[Henry Hawk]

  And also 4 billion people believe the earth is only 4,000 years old.  Dinosaurs where here at the same time people was here.    And prayers really work.   Who wrong about this.  Hummmmmmmm. 

Other than the earth being only 4,000 years old, can you prove that prayers really don't work or even that Dinosaurs where not here at the same time people were?

[The Troll]

Other than the earth being only 4,000 years old, can you prove that prayers really don't work or even that Dinosaurs where not here at the same time people were?

  It  has been proven many times that people did not exist during the time of the dinosaurs time.  Prayer, can you prove it works.  Since 1844 the Our Lady of Lourdes in  Lourdes France has had over 100 million people pray, drink and swim in the holy water, buy the water, it is suppose to have and the Catholic church only recognizes only 7 miracles and the last one was in 1923.     Something to think about about.     If prayers really worked there would be no crippled children and no dead Christians.   

[Bo D]

Other than the earth being only 4,000 years old, can you prove that prayers really don't work or even that Dinosaurs where not here at the same time people were?

Some people believe that dinosaurs are still here. They call them birds. 

But seriously, Henry ... do you believe that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time?

[Henry Hawk]

  It  has been proven many times that people did not exist during the time of the dinosaurs time.  Prayer, can you prove it works.  Since 1844 the Our Lady of Lourdes in  Lourdes France has had over 100 million people pray, drink and swim in the holy water, buy the water, it is suppose to have and the Catholic church only recognizes only 7 miracles and the last one was in 1923.     Something to think about about.     If prayers really worked there would be no crippled children and no dead Christians.   

Nothing against you Troll, but I knew better than to even go down this road....I screwed up.  It is an argument that cannot be won.  I have decided to choose my battles.  THIS isn't one that I am going to attempt.  It would prove to be useless.

No, you don't need religion to be a good, moral human being.  But, I think it is foolish to think that our moral values we practice today had NOTHING at all to do with God.  I am quite certain our forefathers utilized the Holy Bible as a moral compass.  It has passed on from generation to generation.  It is just common sense.

[The Troll]

Nothing against you Troll, but I knew better than to even go down this road....I screwed up.  It is an argument that cannot be won.  I have decided to choose my battles.  THIS isn't one that I am going to attempt.  It would prove to be useless.

No, you don't need religion to be a good, moral human being.  But, I think it is foolish to think that our moral values we practice today had NOTHING at all to do with God.  I am quite certain our forefathers utilized the Holy Bible as a moral compass.  It has passed on from generation to generation.  It is just common sense.

Some people believe that dinosaurs are still here. They call them birds. 

But seriously, Henry ... do you believe that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time?

  Some scientist believe that birds evolved from the dinosaurs Bo D.  But a Roman Caesar formed the Bible to cloud the mind of the Sheeple to control them.  Promise them heaven which cost nothing and give them nothing and give the leaders control.   

[Henry Hawk]

Bo, I think it is very possible that humans lived among enormous creatures such as dinosaurs....there are many paintings and carvings in caves showing "dinosaur-like" creatures....perhaps not a dinosaur.

[Bo D]

Bo, I think it is very possible that humans lived among enormous creatures such as dinosaurs....there are many paintings and carvings in caves showing "dinosaur-like" creatures....perhaps not a dinosaur.

Okie dokie then .....

[Locutus]

Okie dokie then .....

That's why we're totally screwed unless we can educate the public and especially the children. 

[Henry Hawk]

That's why we're totally screwed

REALLY? You HONESTLY believe we are screwed?

[Locutus]

REALLY? You HONESTLY believe we are screwed?

When science and education are scorned, yes, we're screwed. 

[Henry Hawk]

When science and education are scorned, yes, we're screwed. 

What did I say that SCORNED science and education?