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Beware - Ginger Baker

Started by Palehorse, March 16, 2014, 07:16:59 PM

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Palehorse

March 16, 2014, 07:16:59 PM
I just finished watching a documentary with the title of this thread, and let me tell you I was enthralled.

How in the hell is this guy not dead? He's going on 75 years old and with all the hell and shit he has stirred in his lifetime, not to mention the hard core drugs he has abused, he's still alive and playing.

The poor bastard doing the filming and questioning of Baker during the film ends up getting the silver handle end of a cane across the nose for his efforts, leaving him pissed off and bloodied.

The man is a drummer of unmatched talent, but he seems to have the personality of a bag of shaken rattlesnakes. No wonder he and Jack Bruce fought all of the time, and Eric Clapton wanted out of the two bands he was in with him. (Cream and Blind Faith).

He's on his 4th wife, (and that may be over by now for all I know), and is virtually penniless; which is why he is still doing shows. He had a large farm in Africa and in excess of 30 polo horses, but had to sell it all.

It's no wonder that so many of rock and rolls historic musicians refused to work with the man unless they were forced to. And he considers Clapton his best friend, while you get the feeling Clapton wants to stay as far away from him as he can, due to the substance abuse, irrational behavior, and constant arguing he instigates. Clapton does obviously harbor some personal conflict surrounding how he truly feels about Baker, and was very measured in his responses about him in the documentary. I got a sense he wants to help him, and perhaps has done so already, but its almost like he feels having him around is like inviting a junkie to watch over your valuables.

Great documentary with interviews of Santana, Clapton, Winwood, and a host of others that have performed and recorded with him over the decades his career spans. Even his own children want little to nothing to do with him, as they so eagerly state within the film.

If you are a musician, a fan of music, or a fan of Cream, this is a must see. It'll fascinate you to say the least.

In the beginning I felt sorry for the old man sitting in a recliner, and clearly pissed off. But about 20 minutes into it I began to change my mind.

He wrote a book called "Hellraiser", which I am going to see if I can find locally or on line in the US. It ought to be a good read. . .
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Purplelady1040

#1
March 16, 2014, 07:20:28 PM
I will have to watch that!

Palehorse

#2
March 16, 2014, 07:34:04 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-ginger-baker-on-why-the-rolling-stones-are-not-good-musicians-20131011

The above is an article from Rolling Stone in October of last year, which is an interview with him. His answers are fairly in line with a lot of the replies he gave the guy interviewing him for the film.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

#3
March 16, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
Is it something you bought or did you watch it on tv? 
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Palehorse

#4
March 17, 2014, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: me on March 16, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
Is it something you bought or did you watch it on tv?

Watched it on TV.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

#5
March 17, 2014, 11:57:36 PM
Was it a PBS thing?  If so I can probably get it off the site 'cause they sell them sometimes. 
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Palehorse

#6
March 18, 2014, 05:15:33 PM
Quote from: me on March 17, 2014, 11:57:36 PM
Was it a PBS thing?  If so I can probably get it off the site 'cause they sell them sometimes.

Nope. It was on one of the premium movie channels.

You can probably get it on netflix though.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Locutus

#7
March 18, 2014, 07:15:06 PM
It's available via DVD on Netflix.  I just looked. 
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Palehorse

#8
March 18, 2014, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2014, 07:15:06 PM
It's available via DVD on Netflix.  I just looked.

I figured it would be. Don't know what they charge to view it, but if you have 1.5 hours to kill, I could think of worse ways to do so.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

#9
March 18, 2014, 11:05:37 PM
Don't do Netflix, we'd rather buy them.  I'm sure it will turn up somewhere.  Time to go Amazon shopping I guess....  :wink:
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me

#10
March 18, 2014, 11:10:31 PM
Yeehaw...they had 20 left on Amazon, 19 now....  :biggrin:
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Palehorse

#11
March 19, 2014, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: me on March 18, 2014, 11:10:31 PM
Yeehaw...they had 20 left on Amazon, 19 now....  :biggrin:

What did you have to lay out for it? I may buy it myself just to watch when I get to be 70 or so; as a reminder of what I don't want to be at that age. . . :wink:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

#12
March 19, 2014, 11:30:01 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2014, 05:34:39 PM
What did you have to lay out for it? I may buy it myself just to watch when I get to be 70 or so; as a reminder of what I don't want to be at that age. . . :wink:
$10.21 including shipping, (new).  It shipped out today so we should have it in a few days depending on where it shipped from. 
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Palehorse

#13
March 20, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: me on March 19, 2014, 11:30:01 PM
$10.21 including shipping, (new).  It shipped out today so we should have it in a few days depending on where it shipped from.

You'll have it tomorrow if it shipped from Whitestown.  :smile:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

#14
March 20, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 20, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
You'll have it tomorrow if it shipped from Whitestown.  :smile:
:smile:
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