Well, well, well. Not so stupid after all

[libby]

It appears that Putin is in the midst of reassembling the USSR.  First he took Georgia...now the Ukraine.  am I wrong?  What should Obama be doing about this?  Or should he do anything?

Curious...

I have my thoughts, just wondering about your guys thoughts.

I would guess that President Obama has figured out, if he didn't already know, that what is/has been going on with Putin and the Ukraine is quite complicated.

Here's a little history:

The Washington Post:

How Ukraine got where it is today, in 486 words

By Terri Rupar, Updated: March 4, 2014,  at 12:12 pm

The roots of the current standoff in Crimea go back a few days, and weeks, and years, and centuries. Here's a look at how the situation evolved; my 486 words, not counting captions, start now:

What has happened in the past few days

Thousands of Russian troops have entered Crimea, a peninsular portion of Ukraine with strong ties to Russia and which is home to Russia's Black Sea fleet. Ukraine's interim government has called this an invasion, and U.S. and European officials have warned Russia that it will face consequences if it doesn't withdraw. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the troops aren't Russian but that he has the right to send in troops.

What happened in the previous two weeks

Protests (explained below) in the capital of Kiev had looked like they were dying down, but then a measure in parliament to limit the president's powers stalled. Protesters were angered, and police responded; scores were killed over the next few days.

Protest leaders and then-President Viktor Yanukovych came up with a deal to hold elections in December. Parliament also took action, slashing a lot of the powers the president had.

As the opposition gained power, Yanukovych fled Kiev for Russia. Photos of his mansion and fabulous car collection went viral. Yanukovych insists that he's still president, but the opposition has set up an interim government and set elections for May 25.

What happened three months before that

Yanukovych announced that Ukraine would seek increased cooperation with Russia, a sign he was moving away from Europe. This angered some Ukrainians, and they took to the streets in Kiev's Independence Square, also called the Maidan. Protests largely took place in Kiev and in other cities in the Europe-leaning western part of Ukraine.

What happened nine years before that

In 2004, Yanukovych won a flawed presidential election, and Ukrainians filled the streets to protest. Thousands demonstrated in what was known as the Orange Revolution. A new vote was ordered, and Yanukovych lost. (He won the presidency in 2010, however.)

What happened 22 years before that

Ukraine got its independence when the Soviet Union collapsed through a 1991 referendum. The country is about as big as Texas with about half as many people. At that point, 54 percent of voters in Crimea favored independence from Russia. The peninsula created its own constitution and legislature and has a significant amount of autonomy.

What happened about four decades before that

In what was considered a gesture of goodwill, in 1954, the Soviet Union transferred ownership of Crimea to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which was formed in 1922.

What happened two centuries before that

Catherine the Great, in the late 1700s, developed coal and iron industries in what is now the eastern part of Ukraine. She later took the west on as well, but she and other Russian rulers were mostly focused on the fertile land of the east, compared with the forests of the west. Russians moved into southeastern Ukraine to battle the Ottoman Empire and banned the Ukrainian language. Russia managed to keep the peninsula as part of its territory even after losing the Crimean War.

© The Washington Post Company

[Exterminator]

Bush has been out of office for 6 years now and what is going on with Putin has nothing to do with him.  Sorry but it's all on Obama's head now.

It really has nothing to do with Obama either; we are not the world's police force.  In your expert on foreign policy opinion, what should Obama do that he already hasn't?

[Henry Hawk]

It really has nothing to do with Obama either; we are not the world's police force.  In your expert on foreign policy opinion, what should Obama do that he already hasn't?

To say Obama has NOTHING to do with it is asinine.  He IS the leader of the USA.  He is at his current all-time low in popularity around the world.  He is suggesting we give the Ukraine a BILLION dollars in guaranteed loans.  All the while he is advocating we cut our military to its all-time low. 

He has plenty to do with this.  It is a tough time for a POTUS.  How he handles this is very, very important for our future existence in the world.

[Exterminator]

Again, what would you mental giants suggest?  Stop criticizing what someone else is doing and give us your recommendations, since you think you have it all figured out.

[Henry Hawk]

Again, what would you mental giants suggest?  Stop criticizing what someone else is doing and give us your recommendations, since you think you have it all figured out.

Uh, no.  He is the one hired to do the job.  I am counting on him to make things right.  So far, he is not batting too well.  I never even remotely said I have it all figured out. 

I am anxiously awaiting to see what his moves are.  How he handles this could impact the world....and history.  We will see his REAL leadership abilities.

[Exterminator]

Just as I expected.  It really doesn't matter what he does as you just want to criticize him.  You have no idea what you're talking about but you just hate him so whatever else happens he'll be wrong.  Tell us all again how you aren't a racist puke?

[Henry Hawk]

Just as I expected.  It really doesn't matter what he does as you just want to criticize him.  You have no idea what you're talking about but you just hate him so whatever else happens he'll be wrong.  Tell us all again how you aren't a racist puke?

and THIS is why it is useless to discuss anything on this forum regarding politics.  I haven't done so all year, and I may as well go back.  This is always your response when a reasonable answer is given. 

[Exterminator]

and THIS is why it is useless to discuss anything on this forum regarding politics.  I haven't done so all year, and I may as well go back.  This is always your response when a reasonable answer is given.

You gave no reasonable answer to anything...never have...everything Obama has ever done has been wrong in your eyes.

[Henry Hawk]

You gave no reasonable answer to anything...never have...everything Obama has ever done has been wrong in your eyes.

You are not being reasonable, but just being judgemental.  I gave an honest opinion.  Like it or not, that is what we do no here....give opinions.  You don't like my opinions, so you give unreasonable replies.

Not that I care, but what is the point of being on a forum? 

[Exterminator]

People like you are a dime a dozen and are the bane of any project manager.  You are quick to point out every single potential insignificant problem in a project but never have any suggestions to mitigate the issues you dream up.  You have no clue about any of the issues but are more than willing to offer your illiterate $.02 worth at every opportunity.  You think that your ability to run a Cat-5 cable makes you a network engineer...you're a joke.

I note that you criticize Obama for downsizing the military a few posts back (not that you have any slack in that game as another of America's loud-mouth never-served).  How about your son whose education I am paying for...has he been in combat yet?  If he has, I apologize but I'm guessing not?  Either way, your son's education should not have been my responsibility...it is yours.  You bred him...it is your responsibility to pay for his education.  You could not have known 18 years ago that we'd be in this conflict so I'm sure you saved for his college education; right?  LMAO!  Ugh, no...you didn't...you never planned to provide for the education of your children and expect the rest of us to pay for it.

Back to the subject of the "downsizing" of the military...you might want to listen to this: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=286387505&m=286387506.  Please pay special attention to the end of the article where it is pointed out the then Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney, reduced the military by 500,000 (yes, half a million) troops and reduced defense spending by a significant 25%.  I guess now that a ****** is in charge, we're playing by different rules; huh?

You racist morons are ridiculous and it offends me to my core that we allow you to vote...and breed.  Fucking ridiculous.

[me]

People like you are a dime a dozen and are the bane of any project manager.  You are quick to point out every single potential insignificant problem in a project but never have any suggestions to mitigate the issues you dream up.  You have no clue about any of the issues but are more than willing to offer your illiterate $.02 worth at every opportunity.  You think that your ability to run a Cat-5 cable makes you a network engineer...you're a joke.

I note that you criticize Obama for downsizing the military a few posts back (not that you have any slack in that game as another of America's loud-mouth never-served).  How about your son whose education I am paying for...has he been in combat yet?  If he has, I apologize but I'm guessing not?  Either way, your son's education should not have been my responsibility...it is yours.  You bred him...it is your responsibility to pay for his education.  You could not have known 18 years ago that we'd be in this conflict so I'm sure you saved for his college education; right?  LMAO!  Ugh, no...you didn't...you never planned to provide for the education of your children and expect the rest of us to pay for it.

Back to the subject of the "downsizing" of the military...you might want to listen to this: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=286387505&m=286387506.  Please pay special attention to the end of the article where it is pointed out the then Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney, reduced the military by 500,000 (yes, half a million) troops and reduced defense spending by a significant 25%.  I guess now that a ****** is in charge, we're playing by different rules; huh?

You racist morons are ridiculous and it offends me to my core that we allow you to vote...and breed.  Fucking ridiculous.

http://history.defense.gov/cheney.shtml

[Henry Hawk]

People like you are a dime a dozen and are the bane of any project manager.  You are quick to point out every single potential insignificant problem in a project but never have any suggestions to mitigate the issues you dream up.  You have no clue about any of the issues but are more than willing to offer your illiterate $.02 worth at every opportunity.  You think that your ability to run a Cat-5 cable makes you a network engineer...you're a joke.

I note that you criticize Obama for downsizing the military a few posts back (not that you have any slack in that game as another of America's loud-mouth never-served).  How about your son whose education I am paying for...has he been in combat yet?  If he has, I apologize but I'm guessing not?  Either way, your son's education should not have been my responsibility...it is yours.  You bred him...it is your responsibility to pay for his education.  You could not have known 18 years ago that we'd be in this conflict so I'm sure you saved for his college education; right?  LMAO!  Ugh, no...you didn't...you never planned to provide for the education of your children and expect the rest of us to pay for it.

Back to the subject of the "downsizing" of the military...you might want to listen to this: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=286387505&m=286387506.  Please pay special attention to the end of the article where it is pointed out the then Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney, reduced the military by 500,000 (yes, half a million) troops and reduced defense spending by a significant 25%.  I guess now that a ****** is in charge, we're playing by different rules; huh?

You racist morons are ridiculous and it offends me to my core that we allow you to vote...and breed.  Fucking ridiculous.

You just proved right there that you have NO clue to what you are talking about, but you HAVE proven that you are a DICK.  You have done nothing but provide a personal attack. You have the mentality of a 3rd grader.

Seriously, this is very typical of most immature liberals.  You slam me, without know on damn thing about me.  You have ZERO clue to what I do for a living. NONE.
Then you make accusations without any merit.  You are just another blow hole, who spouts off when you have nothing solid to stand on.

Very very typical...and you have done this for years now.

You have no class whatsoever.

btw, I will not waste my time opening up any link you provide.  And you can count with your life, that I will indeed vote.  I will be part of the solution and not the problem on every election that I get the opportunity to vote.

[Exterminator]

Seriously, this is very typical of most immature liberals.  You slam me, without know on damn thing about me.  You have ZERO clue to what I do for a living. NONE.

Google yourself, stupid.

[Henry Hawk]

Google yourself, stupid.

If Google is your source of information, then you are a moron.  Seriously.  Because you have NO CLUE to what my responsiblities are.  Not that I give a damn, but it just proves you know how to spout your mouth off, without knowing what you are talking about.  Like I said before....TYPICAL.

PS,

People like YOU offends me.  No wonder our country is sucking right now.

[The Troll]

If Google is your source of information, then you are a moron.  Seriously.  Because you have NO CLUE to what my responsiblities are.  Not that I give a damn, but it just proves you know how to spout your mouth off, without knowing what you are talking about.  Like I said before....TYPICAL.

PS,

People like YOU offends me.  No wonder our country is sucking right now.

  Why the country is fucked today is because of ass hole Tea Party Christians people like you.  You people fuck up this country with people like George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.  It is all caused by you people, so go shove it Bunky.