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U.S. intervention in Syria

Started by Locutus, August 27, 2013, 07:38:01 PM

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Locutus

Good idea or bad idea?   Necessary or unnecessary?
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Palehorse

Obviously, diplomatic channels are as useless as tits on a bull.

The Syrian regime murdered 1300+ unarmed citizens via the use of chemical warfare; a weapon strictly prohibited by the international community.

We've got warships strategically positioned to drop a vast array of cruise missiles on high value targets; specifically their aircraft.

However, I say we under NO circumstances drop the hammer without an iron clad agreement from the international community, and with their commitment to provide weapons and troops in a sufficient quantity and quality with which to follow up with a ground assault designed to restore order and enforce compliance with international and humanitarian law.
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Locutus

The problem I have with intervention is that there isn't really a good side in that little war.  The regime is associated with Hezbollah and the insurgents are associated with al-Qaida.  Outside of the loss of innocent civilians, the best bet would be for those two sides to beat each other into oblivion. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

Quote from: Locutus on August 27, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
The problem I have with intervention is that there isn't really a good side in that little war.  The regime is associated with Hezbollah and the insurgents are associated with al-Qaida.  Outside of the loss of innocent civilians, the best bet would be for those two sides to beat each other into oblivion.

I've not seen anything that demonstrated an alignment between the rebel forces and Al Qaeda; just information that outlines the different sects of Muslim religions that comprise the rebel forces.

I do however, suspect an end run being implemented on the White House surrounding this civil war. It just seems like deja vu with the proportionately growing "intelligence" information surrounding the regime's use of chemical weapons against it citizens. It smacks of the same tripe we were fed to start the Iraqi war. . .

I could be wrong. But the sour taste that left in my mouth has made me highly suspicious of the intelligence community and its motivations. I just hope the POTUS will demand proof and receive it before he makes a decision like this. Especially if that decision includes the commitment of our men and women toward a ground force.
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Locutus

There have been al-Qaida fighters who have been streaming into that country to help the insurgents and the resistance has been supported by that organization thus far.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/11/syria-al-qaeda-connection/2075323/

I don't think they're thinking about ground forces.  I would be strongly opposed to that, and I'm moderately opposed to anything being done at all.

And you're right about the intelligence.  It better be pretty rock solid before anything is done. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

me

Wonder where they got their chemical weapons they used.  :think:
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Locutus

Quote from: me on August 27, 2013, 09:04:50 PM
Wonder where they got their chemical weapons they used.  :think:

If you're going to imply (and you are :wink:) that they came from Saddam Hussein, I would like for you to explain to me why he would have given chemical weapons to the Syrians, some of which (including Bashar al-Assad) just happen to be minority Shiites, and ergo best buddies with his arch enemy Iran.  Doesn't make any sense.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

What do you think about Syria HH?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on August 28, 2013, 11:30:52 AM
What do you think about Syria HH?

Just kind of waiting to see how the media and the WH plays this out.  IMO, Obama drew the red line back in April, stating...."We will not tolerate the use of chemical weapons against the Syrian people, or the transfer of those weapons to terrorists."

Now, China drew a line in the sand.....

Do we support Al Qaeda?  The folks who attacked us on 9/11?

I think, and I know I will be attacked and called names, but THIS, folks, is where a lack of leadership and somebody who NEVER should have been elected to be in this position.....has put us in a REAL predicament.

I'm just waiting to see what happens...and how we approach this.  I would not want to be in the WH now.
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Bo D

Quote from: Locutus on August 27, 2013, 10:07:34 PM
If you're going to imply (and you are :wink:) that they came from Saddam Hussein, I would like for you to explain to me why he would have given chemical weapons to the Syrians, some of which (including Bashar al-Assad) just happen to be minority Shiites, and ergo best buddies with his arch enemy Iran.  Doesn't make any sense.

Does anything she posts ever make any sense?
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Locutus

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

me

Quote from: Bo D on August 28, 2013, 01:22:11 PM
Does anything she posts ever make any sense?
Hey, I asked a perfectly valid question.  No one seemed to notice any being made and rumor had it that it was trucked to Syria to get it out of Dodge when things got hot a few years ago.  They either had to make it or already have it is all I'm saying.  Is no one allowed to question things anymore?
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Locutus

Quote from: me on August 28, 2013, 03:19:13 PM
Hey, I asked a perfectly valid question.  No one seemed to notice any being made and rumor had it that it was trucked to Syria to get it out of Dodge when things got hot a few years ago.  They either had to make it or already have it is all I'm saying.  Is no one allowed to question things anymore?

What's the key word in the above post that permeates just about your every post along these lines?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

Quote from: Locutus on August 27, 2013, 10:07:34 PM
If you're going to imply (and you are :wink:) that they came from Saddam Hussein, I would like for you to explain to me why he would have given chemical weapons to the Syrians, some of which (including Bashar al-Assad) just happen to be minority Shiites, and ergo best buddies with his arch enemy Iran.  Doesn't make any sense.

^^ :wink:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

For what it is worth, here is an article written in 2006....

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.
"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."
Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

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