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Started by Y, August 22, 2013, 03:03:11 PM

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Y

August 22, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
Inherent - not subject to determination.

Subject to Determination - rights determined by government, culture, etc..
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Bo D

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August 22, 2013, 03:50:48 PM
Interesting dilemma!

You may say your rights are inherent, but they weren't always that way. Someone had to decide somewhere along the way what is right and what is wrong within the framework of the existing society. Societies by their very nature tend to morph and evolve around the will of the people.

So what we may say are inherent rights were, at some point in our history, rights "determined by government, culture, etc.."
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Y

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August 26, 2013, 03:24:45 PM
To make this a little clearer.

I'm referring to human Rights in the philosophical and absolute sense, BUT this discussion will be moving into the application and real world sense.
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Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Anne

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September 05, 2013, 03:50:34 PM
As in "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin
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