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NDE - Real or Chemical Reaction of the Brain?

Started by Palehorse, March 06, 2013, 12:30:18 PM

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Palehorse

It was to have been a simple procedure to clear a blockage in an artery of her heart. No need for a general anesthetic, just something to make her drowsy. But when the job was done and Florence Cohen began to feel her senses sharpening, events took a turn for the odd.

Standing next to her bed in Sydney's St. Vincent's Hospital, her cardiologist asked her how she was feeling.

"I feel great," Florence said.

Noting, most likely, changes to her vital signs or coloring, he repeated the question.

"Terrible," came the reply.

A moment later, Florence went into cardiac arrest. She recalls, she says, the sounds of bells and sirens, being in a lift, and someone thumping her chest. But these memories are vague compared to her recollection of a subsequent scene. She was lying in surgery, surrounded by medical staff, yet she was not in her body but up near the ceiling, watching the activity below. She noted that her body on the bed wore a green gown with a split in the middle, and that she was otherwise completely covered. "I was calling out, 'Don't cut me. I'm still awake.' " She saw an incandescent light in the shape of a cone. "Then, boom," she says: her floating self rocketed to the cone's tip and . . . nothing.

That was 20 years ago. "I found it spooky," she says now. "I don't like to talk about it. It was the whitest light you could imagine. It wasn't a dream. It's still very, very vivid." . . .


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1657919,00.html

This is a 2007 article but an interesting read. It caught my eye for several reasons, the most applicable of which is the similarity to a recent medical situation I endured.

If you are interested in near death experiences, give it a read.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

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May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Anne

That was very interesting. I definitely think there is something to NDEs. I wonder how the researchers who say it is all just a physical responce explain a two or three year old reporting their NDE. They (very young children) probably would not have had the life experiences to complie that kind of experience.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

followsthewolf

I wonder if those NDE's are related to a phenomenon called "awareness" during surgery.
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

RC

Since you all do not believe in God, why are you worried about death?

Palehorse

Quote from: RC on March 07, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
Since you all do not believe in God, why are you worried about death?

There you go again, brazenly painting with a brush loaded with the broad-strokes of ignorance.

Some of us indeed do not believe in a god. Some of us do not believe in the God constructed by human-kind. Some of us believe in a creator.

You are nothing but a troll in the classic sense of the term.

R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Bo D

Quote from: Palehorse on March 07, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
There you go again, brazenly painting with a brush loaded with the broad-strokes of ignorance.

Some of us indeed do not believe in a god. Some of us do not believe in the God constructed by human-kind. Some of us believe in a creator.

You are nothing but a troll in the classic sense of the term.

Really!

Besides, his comment makes no sense anyway.

The very people who believe in God are the ones who should worry most about death and whether you get to go to Heaven or Hell. Those who do not believe probably aren't worried at all.

But then I never accused RC of being capable of rational thought.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on March 06, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
This is a 2007 article but an interesting read. It caught my eye for several reasons, the most applicable of which is the similarity to a recent medical situation I endured.


I have always been interested in such incidences.  I have talked to a few that has shared such episodes.  I have witnessed my mother speaking on her deathbed about scenes, people and angels.

Are you going to share your recent similarity?  I would like to hear, if you are willing.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

RC

Quote from: Palehorse on March 07, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
There you go again, brazenly painting with a brush loaded with the broad-strokes of ignorance.

Some of us indeed do not believe in a god. Some of us do not believe in the God constructed by human-kind. Some of us believe in a creator.

You are nothing but a troll in the classic sense of the term.

I will ask one more time, you can post and say what you believe , and when I do I am a troll. what is the difference?

RC

Quote from: Olias on March 07, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
Really!

Besides, his comment makes no sense anyway.

The very people who believe in God are the ones who should worry most about death and whether you get to go to Heaven or Hell. Those who do not believe probably aren't worried at all.

But then I never accused RC of being capable of rational thought.
You post is the ignorant one.  People who have accepted God's gift of salvation, have no fear of death.  I have no fear of death I know what awaits me. You can accept his free gift of salvation and know that you are going to heaven, reject it and know that your are going to hell.  We all have the free will.

If one reject God and believes that death is all that there is ,why do they get so upset about any other talk about it.

Palehorse

Quote from: RC on March 07, 2013, 12:30:51 PM
I will ask one more time, you can post and say what you believe , and when I do I am a troll. what is the difference?

:rolleyes: Hypocrite troll.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

RC

Quote from: Palehorse on March 07, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
:rolleyes: Hypocrite troll.

Are all people who disagree with you a troll, stupid, ignorant,ect. all the things you like to sling around with no  proof.  You forgot to accuse me of living in a trailer and being on ssi, and having trash in my yard.

Palehorse

Quote from: RC on March 07, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
Are all people who disagree with you a troll, stupid, ignorant,ect. all the things you like to sling around with no  proof.  You forgot to accuse me of living in a trailer and being on ssi, and having trash in my yard.

I think there may be a question in there but it is really hard to tell. (Punctuation is your friend).

Each post you make proves my position; you are a hypocritical troll. (And you really need to clean that brush because it is still loaded with ignorance).

You cannot even keep your objectives organized. You are confusing me with another who regularly takes you to task over your trolling.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 07, 2013, 12:30:00 PM

Are you going to share your recent similarity?  I would like to hear, if you are willing.

I am not.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

RC

Quote from: Palehorse on March 07, 2013, 12:45:07 PM
I think there may be a question in there but it is really hard to tell. (Punctuation is your friend).

Each post you make proves my position; you are a hypocritical troll. (And you really need to clean that brush because it is still loaded with ignorance).

You cannot even keep your objectives organized. You are confusing me with another who regularly takes you to task over your trolling.

You  might be right, it is hard to keep up with who post what drivel.

Palehorse

Quote from: followsthewolf on March 06, 2013, 03:37:48 PM
I wonder if those NDE's are related to a phenomenon called "awareness" during surgery.

Is that the condition wherein the patient, despite being properly anesthetized, is fully awake and "aware" during a procedure?  :spooked:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville