Drones and football

[Palehorse]

Oh boy, here we go pulling the race card again. 

If you can liberally play the victim card, then you shouldn't be surprised when the race card is played. Especially when it is appropriately played.

[me]

I will say once again that race card crap is getting mighty old as is the "playing the victim card" excuse for using it.  This administration is not above being criticized in spite of what you think.  Being black is not the problem here it is the policies.  Conservatives can see that he's black and know that he is mixed so why do the liberals think they have to keep reminding us?  They do it because they are using it as a means to brow beat people into agreeing and keep things stirred up between the races which is racist in itself.  Every time someone disagrees with something he wants to do the media pulls out the race card and ya'll get on behind the train and go with it.  If you would stand back and look at it you would see how ridiculous it's getting.

[Exterminator]

Being black is not the problem here it is the policies.

What's getting old is your claims of, "policies," about which you have illustrated you know nothing, as an excuse for your overt racism.  Why not just say what you really feel instead of being such a coward about it?

[Sandy Eggo]

What's getting old is your claims of, "policies," about which you have illustrated you know nothing, as an excuse for your overt racism.  Why not just say what you really feel instead of being such a coward about it?

You're way too subtle. She'll never figure out that her slip is showing if you keep beating around the bush.

[RC]

I will say once again that race card crap is getting mighty old as is the "playing the victim card" excuse for using it.  This administration is not above being criticized in spite of what you think.  Being black is not the problem here it is the policies.  Conservatives can see that he's black and know that he is mixed so why do the liberals think they have to keep reminding us?  They do it because they are using it as a means to brow beat people into agreeing and keep things stirred up between the races which is racist in itself.  Every time someone disagrees with something he wants to do the media pulls out the race card and ya'll get on behind the train and go with it.  If you would stand back and look at it you would see how ridiculous it's getting.

I agree you are right!!!!!!!!!!

[Bo D]

Leave the race card out of this discussion and it still boils down to one concept. Here is absolute proof (as if we needed it) that 'me' is an abject idiot and a liar.

First she claims that Bush never had a "kill list."

I can only imagine the outcry if it had been discovered Bush had a kill list.

Then when confronted with incontrovertible evidence to the contrary ...

Did this include on US soil?  No, it didn't nor was it as broad.

To monitor not attack there is a difference.  .

[Palehorse]

The fact is he killed an innocent woman.  He is nuts and needs to be "harvested".  I hope the DID get him.  Four DEAD because of him.  He had a grudge against the LAPD, so he was going to take it out on the innocent. 
Sure his manifesto sounded good.  He perhaps had very good reasons for despising the LAPD.  But, NEVER, killing innocent people is an excuse or does it justify his actions.

So given your position here surrounding the WACO Style ending of the ex-LAPD officer's life, how would you have felt had the SBPD used a drone to do what they did yesterday to end that situation?

[Henry Hawk]

So given your position here surrounding the WACO Style ending of the ex-LAPD officer's life, how would you have felt had the SBPD used a drone to do what they did yesterday to end that situation?

Again, when have I ever said I was against a drone being used?  I think it would have been great!  I am all for keeping our soldiers and law enforcement folks the safest they can be.

[Palehorse]

Again, when have I ever said I was against a drone being used?  I think it would have been great!  I am all for keeping our soldiers and law enforcement folks the safest they can be.

Right here you imply it. . .

Let me see if I am getting this correct here.  It was wrong for the Bush Administration to allow Water Boarding to KNOWN terrorist, who HAD vital information, that could prevent the loss of American lives by applying a method, that did NOT kill.  But is entirely okay to actually KILL someone who MIGHT be associated with terroists or the terrorist themselves?  Killing is better than a harsh interrogation technique?

[Henry Hawk]

Again, my friend YOU are WRONG.
I never IMPLIED anything.

I was making a comparison to the liberals outrage of Bush's waterboarding, but then are okay for Obama to use drones, even though many innocent civilians are being killed along with many of those strikes.

Mostly, I was being sarcastic....

Hey, I am for both, if it keeps Americans safe....go back and look, I also said that too....

[Palehorse]

Again, my friend YOU are WRONG.
I never IMPLIED anything.

I was making a comparison to the liberals outrage of Bush's waterboarding, but then are okay for Obama to use drones, even though many innocent civilians are being killed along with many of those strikes.

Mostly, I was being sarcastic....

Hey, I am for both, if it keeps Americans safe....go back and look, I also said that too....

Instead of constantly attempting to prove me, and others, wrong over something, how about you just clarify your position for a change?

[Henry Hawk]

Instead of constantly attempting to prove me, and others, wrong over something, how about you just clarify your position for a change?

I just thought it was noteworthy to remind some on here that just how horrible BUSH was for allowing a handful of terrorists to be waterboarded, but some on here are okay with those same terrorists being KILLED by drones, and several civilians are usually involved with these attacks.

Not that I am trying to PROVE anybody WRONG...but isn't a harsh interrogation technique much more mild than a drone strike that has collateral damage and death?

Perhaps you are right, maybe I will just clarify my thoughts from now on, instead of drumming up an arguement. 

[Exterminator]

As I've said before, you don't recognize the difference between torturing someone and killing him outright because you lack a moral compass.

I heard a Vietnam vet who was held as a POW for 6 1/2 years say on the radio yesterday that his captors were too cruel to let him die.

[Henry Hawk]

As I've said before, you don't recognize the difference between torturing someone and killing him outright because you lack a moral compass.

I heard a Vietnam vet who was held as a POW for 6 1/2 years say on the radio yesterday that his captors were too cruel to let him die.

I think my moral compass is just fine.  We DID get information by those interrogations that led to bin laden's death, and others who were involved in 9/11.  I am all in favor of getting the bad guys, and saving the good guys.


Waterboarding is NOT the same form of punishiment/torture as our Vietnam Vets had to endure... like the guy you mentioned who was there for 6 1/2 years

[me]

I just thought it was noteworthy to remind some on here that just how horrible BUSH was for allowing a handful of terrorists to be waterboarded, but some on here are okay with those same terrorists being KILLED by drones, and several civilians are usually involved with these attacks.

Not that I am trying to PROVE anybody WRONG...but isn't a harsh interrogation technique much more mild than a drone strike that has collateral damage and death?

Perhaps you are right, maybe I will just clarify my thoughts from now on, instead of drumming up an arguement. 

Notice how they keep avoiding the collateral damage part.