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Henry Hawk

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

Really?  There's nothing in the Affordable Care Act that you can support?  Not a single provision?
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2013, 11:09:23 AM
Really?  There's nothing in the Affordable Care Act that you can support?  Not a single provision?

Never said that.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

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OBAMACARE NEARS COLLAPSE: Website Fix Delayed–Dems Give Obama Deadline To Fix Broken Promise
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:59


(Before It's News)

With few exceptions, Obamacare never had support amongst Republicans who felt it was an infringement on individual liberty and too massive of a big government program to work.
Over the past 24-hours it has become clear that the President's signature legislation is nearing its end game because of Democrats who feel it's an infringement on individual liberty and so massive of a big government program its not working.

The attacks on the program have come from everywhere.  Bill Clinton told an interviewer that while he supported the program it's time for the people to keep his promise and allow people to keep their health plan. Barbara Boxer announced she is going to co-sponsor a bill which will provide relief to those who forced to lose their plan because of Obamacare. The administration is beginning to leak that they will not make the promised 11-30 fix date for the Healthcare.gov website. The 11-30 date  may be unnecessary because the beltway scuttlebutt is house Democrats have told Obama that he has until this Friday, 11-15 to come up with an Obamacare fix or else they will join with house Republicans and fix it themselves.

The Bill Clinton comment was typical "Clintonian politics," it wasn't really about Obamacare, it was about his wife's campaign for president. Former President Bubba told the interviewer that he thinks Obamacare is a
good program but Obama had to back up the you can keep your heath care
promise, distancing his wife from the Obamacare problems, but not from the progressive program itself.

    They were the ones who heard the promise, if you like what you've got
    you can keep it," he said, referring to people who are now receiving
    cancellation letters from insurers. "I personally believe, even if it
    takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the
    federal government made to these people and let them keep what they
    got."

Perhaps the most surprising event of the past 24-hours was Diane Feinstein's (D-CA) announcement that she will co-sponsor a bill by Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) to require insurance companies to continue offering their existing health care plans — a way to make good on President Barack Obama's promise that consumers can keep their current coverage if they like it.

What makes this surprising is that the progressive Feinstein is not running for reelection until 2018. Even if she were up for reelection her's is a very safe seat. According to the Senior Senator from the "People's Republic of California," she has gotten 30,842 calls, e-mails and letters from her constituents about the President's broken "you can keep your insurance" promise.

This morning the Washington Post is reporting that the problems with the Healthcare.gov Obamcare website may not be fixed by the November 30th date as promised by the Administration, the biggest problem is it still cant handle the volume:

    Software problems with the federal online health insurance marketplace, especially in handling high volumes, are proving so stubborn that the system is unlikely to work fully by the end of the month as the White House has promised, according to an official with knowledge of the project.

    The insurance exchange is balking when more than 20,000 to 30,000 people attempt to use it at the same time — about half its intended capacity, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose internal information. And CGI Federal, the main contractor that built the site, has succeeded in repairing only about six of every 10 of the defects it has addressed so far.

    Government workers and tech­nical contractors racing to repair the Web site have concluded, the official said, that the only way for large numbers of Americans to enroll in the health-care plans soon is by using other means so that the online system isn't overburdened.

Most disastrous for the President is the report that Congressional Democrats have  given the president 72 hours,
until Friday, to do something significant about the disastrous health
care roll-out. Otherwise, they claim they are ready to join
Congressional Republicans on an Obamacare fix.


The GOP Plan is being pushed by Fred Upton
(R-MI) is actually weaker than the one being co-sponsored by Diane Feinstein. It  gives insurance companies the option of continuing all
existing health plans for a year. Feinstein's bill would require insurance
companies to continue offering existing plans.

Both plans will significantly damage Obamacare, they undermine insurance exchanges. The sticker shock people are feeling about the exchange now is nothing compared to the shock people will feel when insurance companies get to re-figure their pricing based on the actual number, ages and heath of the people who signed up.

What is lurking in the shadows is the employer mandate, which starts next year.  This too will result in a horde of people losing their plans, this time it wont only be the insurance companies cancelling plans, but it will be the employers themselves who will be dropping health coverage and sending employees into the exchange.

Is Obamacare near collapse? It's very hard to see Obama getting out of this quagmire. Even if he fixes the broken promise and the web site the product Obamacare itself has lost the trust of the people. People are not going to buy a product they do not trust. Obama could try and re-sell the program to the people, but along with the lower approval ratings in the latest Quinnipiac poll for the first time a majority of Americans, 52% said they do not find President Obama honest and trustworthy.  And should the website not work great on November 30th as the Washington Post suggests, the lack of trust will accelerate.

The mid-term elections are only a year away.  All house seats and one-third of senate seats will be up next November, the 72-hour deadline given the President, and the Feinstein/Landrieu bill are both indications that incumbent Democrats are getting very nervous, those frayed nerves will get worse as we get closer to Election Day.

The pressure on Obama to allow a congressional fix is severe,  I don't believe he will be able to withstand the political pressure, but even if things are fixed, lack of trust and the prospect of this all happening next year when the employer mandate kicks in will send this affront to personal liberty down the path of total collapse.
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Exterminator

More blogger trash.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

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QuoteWashington (CNN) -- Congressional Democrats are upping the pressure on President Barack Obama to fix what's ailing his signature health care initiative with some in the party warning they may be forced to back a House Republican proposal if the White House doesn't offer an alternative by week's end.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/politics/obamacare/index.html?hpt=hp_t1   <-----CNN Not a blog.
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Palehorse

R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

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me

Quote from: Palehorse on November 14, 2013, 07:01:31 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You use a blog I can use a blog.....I have a CNN story to back mine up with. 
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Palehorse

Quote from: me on November 14, 2013, 07:31:33 PM
You use a blog I can use a blog.....I have a CNN story to back mine up with.

What the hell are you blathering on about? You got your panties in a twist over being exposed as a liar or something?  :rolleyes:

You better stop lapping up that hatred your homies are flooding the airwaves with. It will not end well for you. . .

credibility |ˌkredəˈbilitē|
noun
the quality of being trusted and believed in: the government's loss of credibility.
• the quality of being convincing or believable:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

Quote from: Palehorse on November 14, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
What the hell are you blathering on about? You got your panties in a twist over being exposed as a liar or something?  :rolleyes:

You better stop lapping up that hatred your homies are flooding the airwaves with. It will not end well for you. . .

credibility |ˌkredəˈbilitē|
noun
the quality of being trusted and believed in: the government's loss of credibility.
• the quality of being convincing or believable:
The CNN story I posted is not a lie nor is the blog which says the same damn thing.
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Henry Hawk

Funny how Ted Cruz warned everybody of the downfall of "obamacare", yet all the media could do is demonize him.

Like him or not, (I know, NOT....) he called it, and he is spot on, right!  :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 15, 2013, 10:30:35 AM
Funny how Ted Cruz warned everybody of the downfall of "obamacare", yet all the media could do is demonize him.

Like him or not, (I know, NOT....) he called it, and he is spot on, right!  :yes:

You wishing for it doesn't make it so but keep on supporting people like Ted Cruz...that shit's golden for the progressives.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on November 15, 2013, 11:09:16 AM
You wishing for it doesn't make it so but keep on supporting people like Ted Cruz...that shit's golden for the progressives.

Had we listened to him, we would NOT be facing the mess we are in today.  Not really a difficult idea he was suggesting, just one that made sense.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 15, 2013, 11:31:41 AM
Had we listened to him, we would NOT be facing the mess we are in today.  Not really a difficult idea he was suggesting, just one that made sense.

From the looks of him, he'd probably let you blow him and you sound like you'd like to.  You should send him a note!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.