The HCRA

[Palehorse]

Sibelius Drops New Bombshell: Employer Plans Will Also Drop Workers From Coverage By Joseph R. Carducci on November 6, 2013


I don't care if you've been under a rock or had your head in the sand for the past few weeks, you have still most likely heard about the millions of people who have lost their health insurance recently. This was not due to some type of 'glitch' in this system, this IS the system. This is exactly as Obama has designed ObamaCare to function.

Yes, we all know Obama promised everyone that they could keep their plans. He promised us that if we liked our healthcare plans no one would take them away. He even emphasized this by looking right into the camera and appearing to push back a single little tear from cheek and said "period." In my mind this meant that there would need to be no more explaining and no more equivocating, nothing.

This Wednesday, the HHS ObamaCare Queen herself, Kathleen Sebelius was to be found on Capitol Hill. This time her royal duty was to protect Obama's hide once again as she testified in front of the Senate Finance Committee. As expected, she was grilled about Obama and his broken promises. Specifically about how people were losing their health plans left and right. Presumably, many of them would have liked to remain insured given the fact that before ObamaCare passed something like 90 percent of insured Americans were happy with their plans.

Obama had also repeatedly stated that plans which were held before ObamaCare passed and went into effect would be 'grandfathered' in. Of course, this week we have Obama doing some fancy talking trying to explain and equivocate, adding new wrinkles to his so-called promise. Apparently, there were to be some caveats with these prior-held plans like they had to meet the new ObamaCare standards. If not, they will be canceled. This is why we have already seen several million Americans receive cancellation notices from their insurers.


During her testimony today, the HHS Queen informed us that the same caveat applies to employer based insurance plans as well. In other words, if you are currently covered under a plan provided by your employer, watch out! Chances are quite good that it will not meet these new ObamaCare 'standards.' But, if we listen to the explanations and equivocations from Obama this should not matter, because all of these plans were 'sub-standard' anyway, right? No matter that we obviously picked the best options from our choices, no matter if we like the plan or not, it was just another lousy option according to our perfect community organizer in chief.

I love how now Obama is trying to talk his way out of this way. Everyone with even half a brain understands that he is now a liar...and a liar in the worst way. He did not even lie to make us feel better. He lied to get a lousy, sub-standard healthcare plan passed that he KNEW was going to force millions into options that will end up costing them a lot more money and offer care that we either don't need or will not use. He knew all this ahead of time and deliberately shoved this down our throats.

The estimates are now running quite high. As the employer mandate takes effect later, we will eventually see something like 93 million Americans losing their healthcare plans. This is a combination of those who have lost their plans through the individual market and the employer market. Sad. That is indeed some caveat...and Queen Kathleen continues to protect this guy and say that he kept his word!

What do YOU think? Are you worried about losing an employer based plan? Do you think Obama has kept his promise? Should we have expected a 'caveat?' Is 93 million people just no big deal, or do the Democrats now have a big problem?

http://downtrend.com/jrc410/sebelius-drops-new-bombshell-employer-plans-will-also-drop-workers-from-coverage/

Now listen real close to what she says "must" be included in "all" insurance policies starting in 2014.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-23-2012/exclusive---kathleen-sebelius-extended-interview-pt--2

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

[Henry Hawk]

Critical thinking my ass

[me]

Critical thinking my ass

You know what's pathetic HH?  I even put the link to the video of her saying what had to be included in all the policies up and they still won't listen.  I think it's either selective hearing or they don't want to admit they're wrong or put up with what we are putting up with should they go against the POTUS or any of his policies. 

[Henry Hawk]

some folks need to take a LONG look in the mirror, once in a while.   

[Exterminator]

So not only do we have yet another case of drastic embellishment of facts, but outright lies being told, and then being used as "facts" to support the whining, crying, kicking, and screaming of idiots!

And yet they persist even after having been shown how ignorant they are.

[me]

And yet they persist even after having been shown how ignorant they are.

Go back and listen to the video I posted real close Ex.  It is Sebelius herself not a journalist or blogger it is her own words concerning the things which are included in "all" the HCRB requirements including the employer mandates which don't take effect until later. 

[Palehorse]

Go back and listen to the video I posted real close Ex.  It is Sebelius herself not a journalist or blogger it is her own words concerning the things which are included in "all" the HCRB requirements including the employer mandates which don't take effect until later.

And despite being shown how the scheming and lying health insurance industry is spinning the requirements to their advantage, YOU do not see the need for these things? Really? Are you that ignorant? 

[me]

And despite being shown how the scheming and lying health insurance industry is spinning the requirements to their advantage, YOU do not see the need for these things? Really? Are you that ignorant? 

Go listen to the video....You and Ex are still not exempt from losing your policies the employer mandate just isn't in effect yet.  What do you not understand about the policies did not comply with the HCRB and these people were dropped because of that which, btw, Obama and Sebelius knew was going to happen when he lied about people being able to keep their current doctor, hospital, and plan. 

[The Troll]

Go listen to the video....You and Ex are still not exempt from losing your policies the employer mandate just isn't in effect yet.  What do you not understand about the policies did not comply with the HCRB and these people were dropped because of that which, btw, Obama and Sebelius knew was going to happen when he lied about people being able to keep their current doctor, hospital, and plan.

  Quit being a jerk "ME" give HCRA a chance.  If it fails you and Henry can crow off your heads.     

[Palehorse]

Go listen to the video....You and Ex are still not exempt from losing your policies the employer mandate just isn't in effect yet.  What do you not understand about the policies did not comply with the HCRB and these people were dropped because of that which, btw, Obama and Sebelius knew was going to happen when he lied about people being able to keep their current doctor, hospital, and plan.

The fact of the matter is ANY fucking change to legislation that impacts healthcare insurers will result in the elimination of non-competing policies and programs, as well as those that do not comply with the laws of the land. That this is a surprise to anyone is the real fucking joke here.

I already know how insurance companies and insurers work and operate, and based upon decades of personal experience with them as the insured, I learned from the process. Apparently I am in the minority here, but none-the-less it is a fact. How else do you think I knew those horse-shit examples you and Hank hoisted up were nothing more than embellished lies?

Your statement above is nothing more than spinning facts that are common sense to anyone who understands a for profit business enterprise, whether it is selling a service, product, or commodities, and attempting to place blame upon an individual or individuals who had absolutely nothing to do with the process.  All over sour grapes and hyperbole that are being nurtured by the republican party courtesy of the tea-billy infestation.

You conservatives swagger about saying you don't want government regulation of businesses, then squall like a scalded cat when the lack of same results in actions like the very ones you are hoisting up as examples of this administrations failures! Hypocrites!

You will do nothing but sit around wringing your hands and parroting the propaganda, even if the changes have little to no impact upon you personally.

And yet, you expect others to take you at your word on anything? 

[me]

The fact of the matter is ANY fucking change to legislation that impacts healthcare insurers will result in the elimination of non-competing policies and programs, as well as those that do not comply with the laws of the land. That this is a surprise to anyone is the real fucking joke here.

I already know how insurance companies and insurers work and operate, and based upon decades of personal experience with them as the insured, I learned from the process. Apparently I am in the minority here, but none-the-less it is a fact. How else do you think I knew those horse-shit examples you and Hank hoisted up were nothing more than embellished lies?

Your statement above is nothing more than spinning facts that are common sense to anyone who understands a for profit business enterprise, whether it is selling a service, product, or commodities, and attempting to place blame upon an individual or individuals who had absolutely nothing to do with the process.  All over sour grapes and hyperbole that are being nurtured by the republican party courtesy of the tea-billy infestation.

You conservatives swagger about saying you don't want government regulation of businesses, then squall like a scalded cat when the lack of same results in actions like the very ones you are hoisting up as examples of this administrations failures! Hypocrites!

You will do nothing but sit around wringing your hands and parroting the propaganda, even if the changes have little to no impact upon you personally.

And yet, you expect others to take you at your word on anything? 

Ok then I guess you won't even listen to the facts as presented by Sebelius herself. These changes have already had an impact on some people I know and could have an impact on some of my family when the employer mandate takes effect so, yes, I am concerned. 

[Exterminator]

These changes have already had an impact on some people I know and could have an impact on some of my family when the employer mandate takes effect so, yes, I am concerned.

Good.  The only people really being affected negatively by the ACA are the parasites who were milking the system before and are now being forced to be responsible members of society.

[Henry Hawk]

Good.  The only people really being affected negatively by the ACA are the parasites who were milking the system before and are now being forced to be responsible members of society.

Tell that to the people who got their hours cut from 40 to under 30.  Are they parasites?

[Exterminator]

Tell that to the people who got their hours cut from 40 to under 30.  Are they parasites?

No, but the people spreading that myth certainly are.

[Henry Hawk]

No, but the people spreading that myth certainly are.

Bullshit! Ex.

All you have to do is google this and you get tons of examples.  Here is one that took like three seconds to find.

http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/110513-669013-obamacare-employer-mandate-a-list-of-cuts-to-work-hours-jobs.htm