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Started by Palehorse, January 25, 2013, 11:22:58 AM

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Palehorse

Quote from: me on October 31, 2013, 08:29:47 PM
You're talking about a company as though it were a person.  The "company" has to maintain a certain amount of back up money which can be taken out of that "pure profit" because it isn't actually profit.  Do you own any stock?  If so would you invest in a company that wasn't profitable?  Get out of that box you're in and think.

I'm not the one granting corporations individual constitutional rights, but that's another argument.

It IS pure profit. FOR profit out of a historically NOT for profit entity.

Hippocratic Oath
I do solemnly vow, to that which I value and hold most dear:
That I will honor the Profession of Medicine, be just and generous to its members, and help sustain them in their service to humanity;
That just as I have learned from those who preceded me, so will I instruct those who follow me in the science and the art of medicine;
That I will recognize the limits of my knowledge and pursue lifelong learning to better care for the sick and to prevent illness;
That I will seek the counsel of others when they are more expert so as to fulfill my obligation to those who are entrusted to my care;
That I will not withdraw from my patients in their time of need;
That I will lead my life and practice my art with integrity and honor, using my
power wisely;
That whatsoever I shall see or hear of the lives of my patients that is not fitting to be spoken, I will keep in confidence;
That into whatever house I shall enter, it shall be for the good of the sick;
That I will maintain this sacred trust, holding myself far aloof from wrong, from
corrupting, from the tempting of others to vice;
That above all else I will serve the highest interests of my patients through the practice of my science and my art;
That I will be an advocate for patients in need and strive for justice in the care of the sick.
I now turn to my calling, promising to preserve its finest traditions, with the reward of a long experience in the joy of healing.
I make this vow freely and upon my honor.


http://weill.cornell.edu/deans/pdf/hippocratic_oath.pdf

And then the insurance companies got involved, at first with similar creed, which gave way to greed; for wealth and power which corrupts without limitation.

Now insurance companies know more about what medicines, regimens, and body chemistry you need to maintain without ever having laid eyes upon you; over and above that which your personal physician(s) who in many cases have spent a life-time with you, caring for your well being, health, and quality of life. And the insurance companies expect you to pay them handsomely for the "privilege".

Insurance companies have bastardized medicine, and there are many hospitals that jumped onto the bandwagon for the very same motivations.

There was a time when physicians were among one of the most philanthropic and noble endeavors on the planet. And then the insurance companies got involved; first demanding a say in your healthcare, then seizing it, then receiving legal, constitutionally protected rights, and the means / power with which to rob every single one of the insured as well as the ability to purchase the legislation that bolsters their ability to do so.

The HCRA is a primary example of what I am talking about here; a bill that started out to correct many of the blatant abuses listed in the previous portions of this post, ends up as a blank check to not only continue the abuses, but to increase them as well.

And you don't see a damned bit of it because you are blinded by the racist propagandists that have infested the republican party.  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

It isn't this writer who is "in a box", but rather you. And you are so blind you don't see the bars on it do you?
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

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me

The government is doing the same thing, telling us what's good for us and what medicine and treatments they will approve for us, as well as telling the doctors how to treat patients.  You can't possibly think that's better.  Just remember you are at the age where the government may find it not feasible to treat you for certain illnesses because of cost effectiveness and your ability to contribute to the pot for any length of time.  Ever watch Logan's Run?  Oh, and that's not a jab at your age 'cause I'm there too and so are 2 of my 3 kids. 
Trump 2020

Palehorse

Quote from: me on October 31, 2013, 10:03:08 PM
The government is doing the same thing, telling us what's good for us and what medicine and treatments they will approve for us, as well as telling the doctors how to treat patients.  You can't possibly think that's better.  Just remember you are at the age where the government may find it not feasible to treat you for certain illnesses because of cost effectiveness and your ability to contribute to the pot for any length of time.  Ever watch Logan's Run?  Oh, and that's not a jab at your age 'cause I'm there too and so are 2 of my 3 kids.

More conjecture and supposition, based upon propaganda.

The GOVERNMENT is not going to be involved in your healthcare. It WANTS to regulate the industry; something they did routinely until Rappin Ronnie Rayguns deregulation barn dance days; which loosed the dogs of greed upon us all.

Why do you think you've been so bombarded with propaganda (which you believe without question) that was and is critical of the HCRA? Who do you think is paying for all that? (Here's a hint; it isn't big oil but it does follow their playbook).

R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

Quote from: Palehorse on October 31, 2013, 10:09:50 PM
More conjecture and supposition, based upon propaganda.

The GOVERNMENT is not going to be involved in your healthcare. It WANTS to regulate the industry; something they did routinely until Rappin Ronnie Rayguns deregulation barn dance days; which loosed the dogs of greed upon us all.

Why do you think you've been so bombarded with propaganda (which you believe without question) that was and is critical of the HCRA? Who do you think is paying for all that? (Here's a hint; it isn't big oil but it does follow their playbook).
Ok, just sit back and watch as this unfolds. 
Trump 2020

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on October 31, 2013, 05:01:33 PM
Again, defanging the HCRA is the root cause here, and we all know who is to blame for that.

Their (the insurance companies) theory is that since the government is subsidizing the premiums for the poor and uninsured, its "free money". And they've been raping the working stiffs for decades now, so why not continue?

EXACTLY why Government intervention RUINS a good thing for the middle class........and THAT is who is being HURT by this. 

It is NOT just a republican thing and until people realize this, we will forever be screwed.  It is POLITICAL THING.  And the fucking democrat leaders have as much, no...MORE blood on their hands as anyone.

That is why I have a ounce of faith in the Ted Cruz way.  He is at least doing what he said he would do when he was elected to office.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW


Exterminator

Quote from: Palehorse on October 31, 2013, 10:09:50 PM
Why do you think you've been so bombarded with propaganda (which you believe without question) that was and is critical of the HCRA? Who do you think is paying for all that? (Here's a hint; it isn't big oil but it does follow their playbook).

The gullible soak that shit up!

My insurance costs skyrocketed because of Obamacare.  I'm going to be paying almost $20.00 a month more!  Rat bastards!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 01, 2013, 08:04:04 AM
. . .
That is why I have a ounce of faith in the Ted Cruz way.  He is at least doing what he said he would do when he was elected to office.

Cruz is nothing more and nothing less than the political zealot puppet of the tea billies; and while I agree he is doing what he said he would do, that is exactly why he should be removed from office. (Along with every other obstructionist practicing zealot that has served to obstruct progress for nearly 5 years now).  :mad: :mad: :mad:

His "brand" is nothing more than the re-packaged tea party snake oil they've been hawking for years, and is one of the root causes for this mess.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Palehorse

Quote from: Exterminator on November 01, 2013, 10:50:56 AM
The gullible soak that shit up!

My insurance costs skyrocketed because of Obamacare.  I'm going to be paying almost $20.00 a month more!  Rat bastards!

Yeah. Mine is staying the same as far as I know; still as sky high as it has been.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on November 01, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
Cruz is nothing more and nothing less than the political zealot puppet of the tea billies; and while I agree he is doing what he said he would do, that is exactly why he should be removed from office. (Along with every other obstructionist practicing zealot that has served to obstruct progress for nearly 5 years now).  :mad: :mad: :mad:

His "brand" is nothing more than the re-packaged tea party snake oil they've been hawking for years, and is one of the root causes for this mess.

The way I see it, his integrity and passion is EXACTLY what we need in this country right now..  I will do everything in my soul to see that my next rep or senator has exactly that mentality to serve our country....and I will do it full of pride.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on November 01, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
that is exactly why he should be removed from office.

Yeah, those bastards that do what they PROMISED us the would do  and what we ASKED them to do....really suck!  :rant: :rolleyes:

unlike the bastards that outright LIED to the Nation....telling us that Hope & Change is on its way... :rolleyes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 01, 2013, 01:19:29 PM
...telling us that Hope & Change is on its way... :rolleyes:

He has since learned that you can't fix stupid.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on November 01, 2013, 01:38:54 PM
He has since learned that you can't fix stupid.

it was the "stupid" that voted for him and got him elected.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 01, 2013, 01:19:29 PM
Yeah, those bastards that do what they PROMISED us the would do  and what we ASKED them to do....really suck!  :rant: :rolleyes:

unlike the bastards that outright LIED to the Nation....telling us that Hope & Change is on its way... :rolleyes:

Obstructionist politics is nothing but destructive; period. Cruz and those just like him, under the guise of the tea billies and their false patriotism, are ruining this country.

If they get their way we will have the rich 1% and the poor 99%. You can clearly see this is their plan if you would take those rose colored glasses off and see things in the stark bright light of day. But you refuse to do this, clutching to the false hope these miscreants are providing you and blind to the fact it is a Trojan Horse.

Hope and Change requires cooperation and a large portion of good-faith; all but absent within the GOP and Tea-Billy Parties over the last 5 years. Minus that there is little ANYONE could do to positively impact the nation and its day-to-day business. (As we have seen).

The GOP / Tea Party will soon reap the bitter harvest they have sown in the mid-term elections. And we'll see how they like being out in the cold.

President Obama was wrong to tell the GOP / Tea Party to get to the back of the bus. He SHOULD have told them to get the fuck off the bus and walk their happy asses across one of our borders!  :yes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 01, 2013, 02:14:08 PM
it was the "stupid" that voted for him and got him elected.

Cruz; that is exactly how he obtained office.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on November 01, 2013, 02:16:26 PM
President Obama was wrong to tell the GOP / Tea Party to get to the back of the bus. He SHOULD have told them to get the fuck off the bus and walk their happy asses across one of our borders!  :yes:

Yeah, that is exactly what he would like to have done.....being a f'ing Chicago thug politician.  The most corrupt city in this country....and he is merely carrying that over to Washington.  It was THAT attitude that forced some to utilize every tactic in the book to keep him from getting his "agenda" carried out that would have, without a doubt, shot this country down the proverbial toilet.

The thing is this.....every person I know, that has a brain, clearly see's it this way too.  We will indeed see what happens in 2014.  The last chance we may have to turning this nation back around and making it once agian prosperous for ALL Americans.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW