News:

Welcome Guests! Thank you for visiting the Unknown Zone! Please consider taking the short amount of time it will take to read the Registration Agreement and register for an account. You will have full access to all message boards (some of which are invisible to you now), and you can enjoy a friendly national forum with that local touch!

Main Menu

Must We Obey All Laws?

Started by followsthewolf, January 22, 2013, 01:54:10 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

followsthewolf

Are we, as citizens, required to obey all laws? If not, what are the parameters and situations when we are free to choose?
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

duke jupiter

Quote from: followsthewolf on January 22, 2013, 01:54:10 PM
Are we, as citizens, required to obey all laws? If not, what are the parameters and situations when we are free to choose?

Speakin' for meself I do break the law daily, speedin' that is.
;)
Best regards,
Duke (sometimes I just break wind) Jupiter
Watch out for Goofy!

Henry Hawk

I think we are always free to choose, but be prepared to pay a penalty if you DO break a law and get caught.  As my Dad always told me.....to "choose you battles".
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

followsthewolf

Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: followsthewolf on January 22, 2013, 02:39:01 PM
Are we morally obligated?

I guess that depends on if the law itself is morally correct....if the law and morality contradict each other, then it goes back to what I said earlier....we have to choose our battles....to deny the law or deny our moral values.  I think if the law is morally sound, then we SHOULD (for all intents and purposes) be obligated to obey it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

followsthewolf

So, if the law is immoral to the individual, that individual is not obligated, morally, to obey it?
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: followsthewolf on January 22, 2013, 03:45:32 PM
So, if the law is immoral to the individual, that individual is not obligated, morally, to obey it?

I never said that....I just said, we must decided if we are willing to pay the penalty for violating a given law....to choose between our moral value and the law.  Or they can pursue having a given law changed.

I know you are fishing for a deeper point.... ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

duke jupiter

A wise feller once told me "obey the law but it is necessary to challenge the law or laws at times".

Best regards,
Duke (to change we must challenge) Jupiter
Watch out for Goofy!

RC

Quote from: followsthewolf on January 22, 2013, 03:45:32 PM
So, if the law is immoral to the individual, that individual is not obligated, morally, to obey it?

If it conflicts with God's law, we are not obligated to obey it. As a general rule one should obey all laws that are not in conflict.

followsthewolf

Quote from: RC on January 22, 2013, 05:22:29 PM
If it conflicts with God's law, we are not obligated to obey it. As a general rule one should obey all laws that are not in conflict.

And we know what god's law is ............how?
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

The Troll

Quote from: followsthewolf on January 22, 2013, 06:18:12 PM
And we know what god's law is ............how?

  I feel that there are so many wrong laws.  Laws made to protect the rich and people who want to control the peasent class.  Laws to fill the coffers of the governments, town, city, state and federal, money collected by the cops.  Our police department have been made revenue collectors.   :mad:

  The law I follow is do un to others as you would have done to you.  I have broke many of man,s laws and will continue as long as I live.  Keeping the police, judges and crime, like Hawk I pick my place and time when I break the laws.  :trustme:

Locutus

Quote from: RC on January 22, 2013, 05:22:29 PM
If it conflicts with God's law, we are not obligated to obey it. As a general rule one should obey all laws that are not in conflict.

:spooked: :spooked:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Anne

Generally, I think we should obey all laws, but there are always exceptions. Before the Civil War (or War of Northern Aggression, depending on where you live  :)) were you morally obliged to help slave hunters find and return slaves to their owners if you lived in a free state or was that a morally wrong law that should be ignored? If the anti-gun lobby would succeed in passing a law banning gun ownership to everyone, would you turn in your guns or would you hide them? In the end, I guess everyone has to make their own determination about which laws they obey and why, but be aware of the consequences when they choose to break a law.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

RC