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Anti-Islam film incites violence

Started by Anne, September 12, 2012, 07:44:51 AM

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Bo D

Quote from: Anne on September 12, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
Ummm, I didn't start this particular thread, I asked this question in random comments. I would not have titled it this way. What I wonder, where were the Libyan police/troops who are supposed to protect a foreign embassy (this goes for Egypt, too). If a country is unable or unwilling to protect an embassy I think they should be better protected by the embassy's military and not be afraid to shoot or the embassy should not be there in the first place. What should we do now, Henry said we should stop sending money, that might be a start and even an encouragement to the governments to better protect an embassy. Do we just let it go or is there something else we should do?

I think you had better wait and get a full accounting of the events before you start throwing accusations. President Obama said in his remarks this morning that Libyan police and troops fought along side our personnel. And he also said in no uncertain terms that the perps would be brought to justice.
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Henry Hawk

I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened.   The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence.  Those who did this, HATE America, period.  As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.
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Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened.   The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence.  Those who did this, HATE America, period.  As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.

No one has apologized.

No one has apologized.

No one has apologized.

No one has apologized.

No one has apologized.

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Locutus

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened.   The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence.  Those who did this, HATE America, period.  As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.

incite
- verb (used with object), -cit·ed, -cit·ing.
1.
to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action: to incite a crowd to riot.

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Locutus

I'm with Ex on this one.  The filmmaker and the donors who supported it knew exactly what the reaction would be.  It was made to incite the Muslims and that's exactly what it did.
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The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened.   The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence.  Those who did this, HATE America, period.  As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.

  Question: By chance Henry, did you see the movie in it's entirety?   :confused:

The Troll

Quote from: Locutus on September 12, 2012, 03:27:27 PM
I'm with Ex on this one.  The filmmaker and the donors who supported it knew exactly what the reaction would be.  It was made to incite the Muslims and that's exactly what it did.

  I still would like for our CIA to send a Predator drone out of sight and over the Raghead cities and drop thousand of cartoon of Allah and Mohammed screwing dogs and goats and playing with theiselves.   :wink: :smile:

  Let the Ragsheads raid and burn everything down.  Wait a couple of weeks and do it again.  Do it until the bastards are to tired to do it again.  :haha:

  I know that I could get my rocks off on that.  :music1: Screw the magic goat Mohammed. :music1: :rotfl:  :rotfl:

Locutus

CNN is reporting that the Libyan attack came in two waves and was planned in advance.  So we may be talking about two topics here.   The movie that incited the protests and a well planned attack by a pro-al Qaeda group. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

All I know is that Romney's attempt to use American deaths to score political points house really backfired.  No one has anything good to say about it: "[Barack Obama's] policies are not responsible for the attacks on our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi or the murder of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. The rush to condemn him in the wake of these attacks by Republicans from Mitt Romney to Sarah Palin, and scores of other conservative critics for policies they claim helped precipitate these attacks is as tortured in its reasoning as it is unseemly in its timing."
-- Mark Salter, former chief of staff to Senator John McCain & senior adviser to the McCain for President campaign.

The claim that Obama made any apology is, likewise, an outright lie.
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Exterminator

And by the way...the Bush/Cheney administration condemned European caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in 2006, saying, ''We find them offensive, and we certainly understand why Muslims would find these images offensive.''
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Romney is an idiot. Every time he opens his mouth, he comes across as a clueless jackass. We're not the only ones that think that way either.  From CNN:

Voters consistently say in polls that Obama would better handle America's relationships with other countries if re-elected. In the latest CNN/ORC International survey released earlier this week, President Barack Obama had a 54%-42% advantage over Romney on foreign policy.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

The Troll


  Just think the Republicans of the Republican Party voted unanimous to make Mitt Romney their candidate for the president of the United States of America.  :doh.

  Also "ME" and the Hawk are willing to hold their noses, close their eyes :eye: and vote for this idiot.  You know, it sorta of makes me doubt their thinking and their reasoning powers.  Getting ready :shots: to vote for Romney and Ryan and voting for them is an act of treason.  :trustme:  :zoners:

Anne

According to the reports I heard, the ones in Egypt "faded away". I also read somewhere that the attack in Libya was well planned and the movie was only an excuse to make it acceptable. As far as the Libyan police fighting to protect the consulate (I misstated earlier that it was an embassy) they didn't do a very good job, did they? We may never know all the facts.
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Exterminator

Quote from: The Troll on September 12, 2012, 05:42:22 PM
Also "ME" and the Hawk are willing to hold their noses, close their eyes :eye: and vote for this idiot.

...because he's white.  Their arguments about policy, especially when he is not forthcoming about revealing anything whatsoever about what his might be, is bullshit and sounds more ridiculous with each passing day.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Quote from: Anne on September 12, 2012, 10:36:59 PM
According to the reports I heard, the ones in Egypt "faded away". I also read somewhere that the attack in Libya was well planned and the movie was only an excuse to make it acceptable. As far as the Libyan police fighting to protect the consulate (I misstated earlier that it was an embassy) they didn't do a very good job, did they? We may never know all the facts.

They haven't faded at all.  In fact, they've become worse.

"Cairo (CNN) -- Riot police fired warning shots and tear gas Thursday outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to keep hundreds of protesters away from the building's perimeter, witnesses said.
Six police officers suffered minor injuries during the clashes, said Alla Mahmoud, a spokesman for the Egyptian Interior Ministry. Some protesters received medical treatment inside ambulances.
Demonstrators threw rocks and Molotov cocktails as police tried to disperse them by firing tear gas canisters from police vehicles as they drove through Tahrir Square, near the embassy."


http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/meast/egypt-us-embassy-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson