Dark Knight Rises - 71 Shot

[Palehorse]

So if you have had a radio or TV on today you've heard about the 71 people shot, 12 killed, at the Aurora Co. opening of the Batman- The Dark Knight Rises movie opening.

And as usual, the gun grabbers are capitalizing on the tragedy to spew their anti-firearms messages.

When the hell are they going to understand that only when they learn how to enforce the draconian regulations ALREADY in place, will they be capable of impacting events such as this one?

Some idiot goes off the deep end and kills / wounds a herd of people, and somehow the law abiding private firearm owners are to blame? Seriously?! What makes anyone think that an individual that has total disregard for the law is going to be impacted by such crap? 

[Henry Hawk]

Hey, a political issue we line up on...

ABC News was REAL quick to falsly claim the shooter was a member of the Tea Party....they later apologized.  It is very sad when the media WANTS to politicize such events for a political gain.

The man thought he was the "Joker"..........

The people of Colorado have to go through ANOTHER tragedy as they did back in 99....

[The Troll]

  It sure does sound like what some red neck right wing Tea Bagger would do.  Especially after what Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday.   

  "You People" do know that Rush is the radio spokesman for the Republican Party and the Golden Con Man.   

[Locutus]

All of the weapons they've found so far were acquired legally.

[Locutus]

18+ minutes of scanner traffic of the police response to the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/v/DkUi6q5kgbU

[Sunny]

Very disturbing...hard to finish listening to the audio, Loc. 

[Locutus]

Very disturbing...hard to finish listening to the audio, Loc. 

Yes, it was quite a chaotic scene.  You could tell how difficult it was for them to coordinate a response of both rescue and police with events unfolding as rapidly as they did. 

[Palehorse]

All of the weapons they've found so far were acquired legally.

Which proves they either are not enforcing the laws already on the books, or this guy went wacko over the fact he could not find a job after university. . .

[Exterminator]

And as usual, the gun grabbers are capitalizing on the tragedy to spew their anti-firearms messages.

As with everything, there are two sides to this issue.  I am clearly on the side of citizens having the right to arm themselves and have a lifetime personal carry permit but why can't people bring up this subject after something like this happens?  When New Orleans flooded, we talked about the failure of our flood control policy and we talk about limiting texting after a horrific crash kills several people.  Why are guns the only aspect of our society in which we aren't allowed to have similar discussions without being labeled gun-grabbers or anti-2nd amendment?

[followsthewolf]

Simply because of the "aura" surrounding firearms.

The principal reason for the existence of a gun is an ability to exert deadly force, unlike just about any other item used as a weapon.

Likewise, an object used to text has a different principal use -- communication.

Guns, however have a history and "baggage" that go with them -- making it much easier to blame the tool than the mechanic.

When was the last time anyone blamed the wrenches when a mechanic screwed up their car?

[The Troll]

Yes, it was quite a chaotic scene.  You could tell how difficult it was for them to coordinate a response of both rescue and police with events unfolding as rapidly as they did.

  It is a really damn shame that we can't cure mental illness.  The pain that one nut can do to destroy life and live of innocent people in his well planned mass murder.   

  But this brings out all of the anti-gun nuts.  Wanting to take our only self defense from the other crooks, thieves and other nuts in the world.  There is 314 Million men, women and children in this country and because one, just one (1) crazy "smart man" goes berserk,  O boy let's get the guns.

  If he had entered that theater through the exit doors like he did with 5 gallons of gasoline under high pressure and set it off, the death from the fire would have been a lot more that his guns.

  Nobody knows how dangerous gasoline can be if built into a thermobaric bomb.  The fire, the smoke, the blocked exits with stomped trampled bodies, blocking the escapes doors, of the terrorized people.  The deaths would have been the hundreds.  You just no need a gun to create mass murder. 

  But, let us all run around like chickens with our heads off, with the drum beat, beat, beat of the 24 hour news cycle.  With stupid talking head asking stupid questions 24 hours a day.    Let us do what we did after 9/11,  A whole lot of stupid and dumb things.   

[Y]

As with everything, there are two sides to this issue.  I am clearly on the side of citizens having the right to arm themselves and have a lifetime personal carry permit but why can't people bring up this subject after something like this happens?  When New Orleans flooded, we talked about the failure of our flood control policy and we talk about limiting texting after a horrific crash kills several people.  Why are guns the only aspect of our society in which we aren't allowed to have similar discussions without being labeled gun-grabbers or anti-2nd amendment?

Hear!  Hear!

As most everyone should know by now, I've made the case the Second Amendment as it stands prohibits the infringement of the citizens to own any sort of arms/armaments, up to and including implements of war.

That being said, we, as a people, need to have the discussions and work towards an amendment to the Constitution that regulates the arms/armaments the populace is allowed to own.

The creators of the Constitution had no idea of the weaponry that would be personally available today, and many of the reasons for citizens to be armed that were enshrined in the Second Amendment are no longer applicable in today's society, and there are many compelling reasons today for regulation of personal firepower.

[Palehorse]

Hear!  Hear!

As most everyone should know by now, I've made the case the Second Amendment as it stands prohibits the infringement of the citizens to own any sort of arms/armaments, up to and including implements of war.

That being said, we, as a people, need to have the discussions and work towards an amendment to the Constitution that regulates the arms/armaments the populace is allowed to own.

The creators of the Constitution had no idea of the weaponry that would be personally available today, and many of the reasons for citizens to be armed that were enshrined in the Second Amendment are no longer applicable in today's society, and there are many compelling reasons today for regulation of personal firepower.

It seems to me that what the populace should be demanding is enforcement of the laws that are already in place. And perhaps a reformation of the judicial system as well.

Firearms do not kill people, people do. If you remove firearms from their hands then they will take up knives, you remove the knives, they will pick up a stick, you remove the stick they'll use fertilizer and kerosene. (You get the idea).

The death penalty is not the detriment it should be for those who commit murder. (You stick a needle in their arm in a sterile environment, observed by a select few). Instead we ought to go back to public executions if we are going to continue sentencing people to death. (And I am not so sure we should be doing this in any case, but that's another subject).

The point is, when you legislate behaviors over the actions of a minuscule sector of society the only ones that are going to comply are those who were in compliance from the beginning. Those who do not comply will never do so; meaning we punish the masses over the crimes of the few, and that punishment does nothing to those who have no respect for the law in the first place.

I am in no way saying I want to own a tank or anti aircraft weaponry, nor do I think anyone outside of the military has a right to own such. However, we have all seen how good intentioned legislation gets off into the deep weeds in a real hurry, and how long it takes to get legislation to correct such implemented. Our elected representation is bought and sold on an hourly basis today, and it matters not who is right but rather, who has the deepest pockets.

[The Troll]

  I don't see anything wrong with someone owing a tank, a artillery piece, machine guns, war plane like P-51, P-38, B-24,  B-17 and B-36's Thunder Bolts, F-86's if they are qualified.  They are the keepers of our history.  These planes, tanks could be made dangerous again, but they won't.  If you want to see war birds, the EAA flyin it the place to go if you want to see World War II aircraft flying like they should.  I have been there many times and it is great.  Why do we go overboard on everything.   Nothing is safe, nothing is a 100% and we ain't going to get off this earth alive. 

  How many people could this nut killed if he waited for the crowd to let out and took a car and ran into them at a 100 miles per hour.     There is no way to stop a crazy person if he or she wants to kill, NOBODY!

[followsthewolf]

That I agree with.

Spent some time with the Confederate Air Force before the name change.

Great old aircraft lovingly tended and flown.