Abound Solar, which planned to employ up to 1,000 in Tipton, will file for bank

[me]

No, they did not go defunct in the 80's.  Do you take the time to learn about anything before you open your pie-hole?

They eidn't exactly become the answer they were supposed to have been either.  Since you think they're so great and you talk like you have a lot of money why don't you have solar panels, or do you?

[The Troll]

They eidn't exactly become the answer they were supposed to have been either.  Since you think they're so great and you talk like you have a lot of money why don't you have solar panels, or do you?

  He probably don't have them like I don't have them.  His and my house wasn't designed for them.  But I sure would use them, if I had them.  Sweet Sue. 

[me]

  He probably don't have them like I don't have them.  His and my house wasn't designed for them.  But I sure would use them, if I had them.  Sweet Sue. 

Your house has a roof doesn't it?  That's where I've seen most of them except for a couple of larger houses that had them along their south wall top to bottom front to back.  Of course you'd need room for battery storage too I guess which is where the problem comes in. 

[The Troll]

Your house has a roof doesn't it?  That's where I've seen most of them except for a couple of larger houses that had them along their south wall top to bottom front to back.  Of course you'd need room for battery storage too I guess which is where the problem comes in.

  I can see you know little about solar panels and the problem of installing and maintaining the electrical part of using them.  You just don't throw them up on the roof and plug them in.  There is a little more technical things that must be done that I can see you don't know anything about.  It a little about your thinking level.  Old Girl. 

[Exterminator]

They eidn't exactly become the answer they were supposed to have been either.

Again, you need to do some research before you speak on matters you know nothing about.  There are lots of large solar farms in use, especially on government and military installations and they continue to gain in popularity.

Since you think they're so great and you talk like you have a lot of money why don't you have solar panels, or do you?

We have discussed the possibility of adding both solar panels and a vertical wind turbine.  The latter would probably be more sppropriate for Indiana weather...the former for some place like California or Arizona.

Back to Abound Solar...and Solyndra...the reason that these companies are failing is not because they didn't have good business plans or make good products, they simply can't compete with China whose solar industry is subsidized and whose labor force works for far less money than it would take to even survive here.  We used to hold the renewal of China's favored nation trade status as a bargaining chip to encourage them to continue to improve their human rights record.  Your boy, George W. Bush, in all of his infinite wisdom, made it permanent removing the last barrier preventing them from flooding our ports with their crap.  That you get so gleeful about these American companies failing and putting their employees out of work just because it gives you an opportunity to further criticize the black man you hate is treasonous, in my opinion.

[Exterminator]

Of course you'd need room for battery storage too I guess which is where the problem comes in.

No, you don't; they are wired into your existing electrical service and any power you don't use goes out to the power grid.

[me]

No, you don't; they are wired into your existing electrical service and any power you don't use goes out to the power grid.

And if the sun don't shine you're up shit creek 'cause it ain't gonna generate squat.


You two are sooooo beyond funny.  You are posting the problems with them yourselves so I don't have to.  Oh and on Solyndra.  They were already in trouble and shouldn't have been given the money in the first place and, in fact, they were advised against it but did it anyway.  And here we go with the blame game again that is getting real old ya know. 

Also I wouldn't go so far as to say there are "lots" of solar farms in the US.  Now I did find a few which put into operation during the Bush administration and some that went into the planning stages then but I didn't find "lots" of them.  which were already operational in the US. 

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Solar-Energy/The-Coming-Boom-In-U.S.-Solar-Farms.html

http://www.firstsolar.com/Projects/Projects-Under-Development/Topaz-Solar-Farm/Overview

[Exterminator]

And if the sun don't shine you're up shit creek 'cause it ain't gonna generate squat.

Without the sun, we're all up shit creek, Einstein.

As for the rest of your rant, did you even bother to read the articles you posted links to?  One of them said almost exactly the same thing I have been saying.

[me]

Without the sun, we're all up shit creek, Einstein.

As for the rest of your rant, did you even bother to read the articles you posted links to?  One of them said almost exactly the same thing I have been saying.

There are times in the winter where the sun doesn't shine for days at a time which would make solar panels for a home without a backup system worthless.  As far as there being "lots" of solar farms no, there aren't "lots" of them operational.  There are a few operational, more under construction and some still in the planning stages.  If, as the first article states, only 1% of the power in the US was being generated from solar power in 2008 how, knowing how long it takes from planning to operational, could there possibly be "lots" of solar farms now.  Of course I guess it depends on what you think the meaning of the word "lots" is.  To me "lots" would be at least over 40%. 

[Exterminator]

There are times in the winter where the sun doesn't shine for days at a time which would make solar panels for a home without a backup system worthless.

No one advocated that approach.

As far as there being "lots" of solar farms no, there aren't "lots" of them operational.

Indeed there are!  I never limited my inclusion to the U.S. only as we tend to be very slow in embracing alternative energy sources compared to other countries. 

[me]

No one advocated that approach.

Indeed there are!  I never limited my inclusion to the U.S. only as we tend to be very slow in embracing alternative energy sources compared to other countries.

Oh, so now since I was only talking about homes and you couldn't come up with anything you change it to farms and when I pointed out the fact there weren't "lots" in the US you move to include other countries.  Brilliant move.  Remind me to never play chess with you 'cause I'll bet you cheat. 

[The Troll]

No, you don't; they are wired into your existing electrical service and any power you don't use goes out to the power grid.

   There are off the grid homes.  They use batteries for cloudy days and at night.  But they are not in Indiana where in the winter you can have up to 37 days without sunshine.  I know that for certain.  Because I knew a guy what built a new solar heated home here in Indiana.  He said he should have built the house with more insulation, geothermal heat pump and better windows.  He also said, with no sunshine and snow covering the panels it not worth the money building a solar heated house in Indiana.   

  Most off the grid places are where the sun shine most of the time.   

[The Troll]

And if the sun don't shine you're up shit creek 'cause it ain't gonna generate squat.


You two are sooooo beyond funny.  You are posting the problems with them yourselves so I don't have to.

  Are including the Troll when you say you two.     Henry has been on today.   

[Exterminator]

Oh, so now since I was only talking about homes and you couldn't come up with anything you change it to farms and when I pointed out the fact there weren't "lots" in the US you move to include other countries.  Brilliant move.  Remind me to never play chess with you 'cause I'll bet you cheat.

No, you said that solar panels did not pan out to be what they were promised and that they fizzled out in the 80's and I said they did not and that there were lots of large solar installations.  There are; you are wrong.  The reason that you shouldn't play chess with me is that you're a moron and you'll undoubtedly get your ass handed to you on a plate.

[me]

   There are off the grid homes.  They use batteries for cloudy days and at night.  But they are not in Indiana where in the winter you can have up to 37 days without sunshine.  I know that for certain.  Because I knew a guy what built a new solar heated home here in Indiana.  He said he should have built the house with more insulation, geothermal heat pump and better windows.  He also said, with no sunshine and snow covering the panels it not worth the money building a solar heated house in Indiana.   

  Most off the grid places are where the sun shine most of the time.   

Oh but Ex said they're all over the place so you must be wrong.  Oh no, wait I was talking about Indiana and he was including other countries.....