SCOTUS upholds Affordable Care Act in its entirety!

[me]

Even when given facts to the contrary, she chooses to cling to anecdote and hearsay.  But, of course, it couldn't be because Obama is black, it's all about his policies.  My ass.

Hearsay is what you get third or fourth hand not first hand.  You are getting hearsay from me but I'm just passing on what I was told first hand.  That is why I'm saying talk to someone who is experiencing it I'm sure with your vast wealth and wide circle of friends you know people who have lived in or are from Canada. Let me ask you this how do you know what you are reading is factual?  Wasn't that info gathered asking people and getting opinions?  How do you know the writer of the article didn't embellish or "change" figures to fit his personal opinion? 

[Palehorse]

. . .was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.. . .

Guess you missed that eh?

And here's a link to the peer reviewed and published study:

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full

[me]

. . .was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.. . .

Guess you missed that eh?

And here's a link to the peer reviewed and published study:

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full

And so??????  What peer's reviewed it? What are their political leanings?  Are all of them physicians?  What is Project Hope who has the copyright on that publication and is the current administration involved with them in any way?  You look it up I already did.  Like I said it is only opinion based on the research results they chose because I ran across differing opinions by other "peers" based on their research results.  Research can be skewed to get the results a particular group wants for differing reasons and if you can't see that and quit pulling the race card like is being constantly done I give up.  Just because it happens to be one out of many health journals doesn't make it the be all and end all opinion wise.

[The Troll]

That's now what about later AFTER the full healthcare thing kicks in?

  Don't know, I don't worry, because it won't be as bad as your handlers say.  Just scare tactics from the republican dirty tricks team.  Just like a big hungry catfish.  You take their bait hook, line and sinker.  

  When are you going to wise up and wake up and smell the  roses, Baby Cake. 

[me]

  Don't know, I don't worry, because it won't be as bad as your handlers say.  Just scare tactics from the republican dirty tricks team.  Just like a big hungry catfish.  You take their bait hook, line and sinker.  

  When are you going to wise up and wake up and smell the  roses, Baby Cake. 

Look there is already a shortage of doctors already...fact.  Thousands more will be getting care after this kicks in....fact.  Doctors will quit accepting medicare and medicaid and only see patients who have premium policies or can pay out of pocket.....fact.  Many people will not be able to afford premium health care....fact.  Most will be forced into clinic type settings and won't get care as good as they're getting now because of the change.  If you think everyone will get premium health care and have our own private physicians and can call and get an appointment and get right in like now you've hit your head.  Most will be going to the local clinic and waiting hours for their turn to see whatever physician happens to be there at the time.  Not to mention who is going to be making the medical devices needed for tests and treatments after the tax on them is implemented?  Yes, that is part of the bill and I haven't heard anything about it being removed.

[Palehorse]

And so??????  What peer's reviewed it? What are their political leanings?  Are all of them physicians?  What is Project Hope who has the copyright on that publication and is the current administration involved with them in any way?  You look it up I already did.  Like I said it is only opinion based on the research results they chose because I ran across differing opinions by other "peers" based on their research results.  Research can be skewed to get the results a particular group wants for differing reasons and if you can't see that and quit pulling the race card like is being constantly done I give up.  Just because it happens to be one out of many health journals doesn't make it the be all and end all opinion wise.

Don't strain a muscle with all that stretching. You might have to hit the ER or something. . .

Founded in 1958, Project HOPE (Health Opportunities for People Everywhere) is dedicated to providing lasting solutions to health problems with the mission of helping people to help themselves. Identifiable to many by the SS HOPE, the world's first peacetime hospital ship, Project HOPE now provides medical training and health education, as well as conducts humanitarian assistance programs in more than 35 countries.

Over the past five decades, Project HOPE has demonstrated its ability to develop and permanently institute long-term solutions to pressing health problems, the true essence of helping people help themselves.

Project HOPE remains as committed as ever to addressing the world's new health threats by playing a leadership role forging new alliances among those on the frontlines of health and together seek new solutions.

HOPE's Mission: To achieve sustainable advances in health care around the world by implementing health education programs and providing humanitarian assistance in areas of need.

[me]

Don't strain a muscle with all that stretching. You might have to hit the ER or something. . .

Founded in 1958, Project HOPE (Health Opportunities for People Everywhere) is dedicated to providing lasting solutions to health problems with the mission of helping people to help themselves. Identifiable to many by the SS HOPE, the world's first peacetime hospital ship, Project HOPE now provides medical training and health education, as well as conducts humanitarian assistance programs in more than 35 countries.

Over the past five decades, Project HOPE has demonstrated its ability to develop and permanently institute long-term solutions to pressing health problems, the true essence of helping people help themselves.

Project HOPE remains as committed as ever to addressing the world's new health threats by playing a leadership role forging new alliances among those on the frontlines of health and together seek new solutions.

HOPE's Mission: To achieve sustainable advances in health care around the world by implementing health education programs and providing humanitarian assistance in areas of need.

And if their leanings are toward that type of health care that is what they're going to go for.  It is still the opinions of the people who happen to be there at the time.  The next group of "peers" could see it differently.  I would say as people have changed over the years their opinions on things have also changed.  Where were they when Hillary tried to get her healthcare bill passed?   Since they've been around since 1958 why haven't they been more vocal about this type of healthcare and why do we not already have it? 

[Palehorse]

And if their leanings are toward that type of health care that is what they're going to go for.  It is still the opinions of the people who happen to be there at the time.  The next group of "peers" could see it differently.  I would say as people have changed over the years their opinions on things have also changed.  Where were they when Hillary tried to get her healthcare bill passed?   Since they've been around since 1958 why haven't they been more vocal about this type of healthcare and why do we not already have it?

Okay. . . I forgot you have to be walked through every step of understanding accreditation and peer review. . . Never mind then. . . Live in your state of delusion and be happy with it. . . 

I haven't got time to walk you through it. Had you really read and understood what was posted you might learn something. . . 

. . .This paper by Steven Katz and colleagues depicts this popular perception as more myth than reality, as the number of Canadians routinely coming across the border seeking health care appears to be relatively small, indeed infinitesimal when compared with the amount of care provided by their own system. Katz is an associate professor in the Departments of Medicine and Health Policy and Management at the University of Michigan. Karen Cardiff is a research associate at the University of British Columbia's Centre for Health Services and Policy Research. Also at the University of British Columbia are Morris Barer, professor and director at the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research's Department of Health Care and Epidemiology, and Robert Evans, professor at the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research's Department of Economics. Marina Pascali is a Dallas-based health care consultant.. . .

But I guess your neighbor knows more than these learned professionals eh? What school of higher learning did they go to again? 

Why don't you just admit that you saw "Project Hope" and automagically made a connection between this peer reviewed work and article and the sitting POTUS? 

[me]

Okay. . . I forgot you have to be walked through every step of understanding accreditation and peer review. . . Never mind then. . . Live in your state of delusion and be happy with it. . . 

I haven't got time to walk you through it. Had you really read and understood what was posted you might learn something. . . 

. . .This paper by Steven Katz and colleagues depicts this popular perception as more myth than reality, as the number of Canadians routinely coming across the border seeking health care appears to be relatively small, indeed infinitesimal when compared with the amount of care provided by their own system. Katz is an associate professor in the Departments of Medicine and Health Policy and Management at the University of Michigan. Karen Cardiff is a research associate at the University of British Columbia's Centre for Health Services and Policy Research. Also at the University of British Columbia are Morris Barer, professor and director at the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research's Department of Health Care and Epidemiology, and Robert Evans, professor at the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research's Department of Economics. Marina Pascali is a Dallas-based health care consultant.. . .

But I guess your neighbor knows more than these learned professionals eh? What school of higher learning did they go to again? 

Why don't you just admit that you saw "Project Hope" and automagically made a connection between this peer reviewed work and article and the sitting POTUS? 

He, my NIL and her family, my cousin, and some other people I know are or were living it the research people just wrote about it after studying it.  A lot of people coming over for care aren't just going to the closest states or hospitals so that study was only part of the story.  There are also people who would come but may lack the funds to do so.  Have you seen doctors lining up to take medicare and medicaid patients? 

[Palehorse]

He, my NIL and her family, my cousin, and some other people I know are or were living it the research people just wrote about it after studying it.  A lot of people coming over for care aren't just going to the closest states or hospitals so that study was only part of the story.  There are also people who would come but may lack the funds to do so.  Have you seen doctors lining up to take medicare and medicaid patients?

Clearly I am not going to convince you where you are clearly wrong; no one is. The only thing that is going to convince you is "living the nightmare of your own creation". The problem with that is you drag the rest of us down along with you.

I'm not going, and I will do my damnedest to ensure that the real information is available to those who would take the time and be willing to expend the effort to educate themselves before joining the sheep herd.

You guys go ahead and hold your Tea thingamajig. That seems to be about the right speed for the likes of you. . . 

[me]

Clearly I am not going to convince you where you are clearly wrong; no one is. The only thing that is going to convince you is "living the nightmare of your own creation". The problem with that is you drag the rest of us down along with you.

I'm not going, and I will do my damnedest to ensure that the real information is available to those who would take the time and be willing to expend the effort to educate themselves before joining the sheep herd.

You guys go ahead and hold your Tea thingamajig. That seems to be about the right speed for the likes of you. . . 

And, like I keep saying, I certainly hope I'm not the one saying "I told you so." 

[The Troll]

  Many years back the American Medical Ass. made a study, held in secret, that the colleges were producing too many doctors driving down the wages that the doctors were making.  They also lobbied to cut down the  number of doctors coming in from other nations with Quotas and the requirements to become an American certified doctor.  Take years to qualify.

  All you have to do is open up the borders to foreign doctors and increase the number of doctors from the medical schools.  It's a dirty little secret the AMA dreamed up to keep the wages up.

  It is amazing how many colleges have over the years have increase the number of lawyers, but not the doctors.   

[The Troll]

Ya'll really need to talk to the guy who owns the house across the street from me who is from Canada, owns some businesses and property there and here and get enlightened about how things are going to be here when this takes effect.  He is from here, his wife is from Canada, and they had decided a few years ago to buy property here and move to the states.  To make a long story short they are seeing things going the way of Canada here and are not happy campers.  they were sick of their businesses being taxed like crazy, they are small businesses not a large corporation, and waiting 6 months to see a doctor when they are sick and now it's going to be the same here.  Yes, you call it anecdotal evidence but it's factual and real experience which goes a lot further with me than "projected" figures and "projected" evidence which is not in any way fact.  I have a niece-in-law who is from Canada, a cousin who lived there for most of her adult life and have talked to other people who are from there and have moved here and they all say the same thing, we don't want what we're about to get because it is not going to work for the better like we are being lead to believe. Call me names and say I'm stupid or whatever but I will not change my mind about this healthcare deal and will not change my mind about the current administrations policies.  We have been sold out by both parties and are in one hell of a mess.

  Sweet Pee, did you know that there are private hospitals and private doctors that you can go to for immediately attention in Canada and England.  All you have to do is pay for it, just like here.  You surly can't expect the nasty old government to pay for every thing.  Can you?   

[me]

  Sweet Pee, did you know that there are private hospitals and private doctors that you can go to for immediately attention in Canada and England.  All you have to do is pay for it, just like here.  You surly can't expect the nasty old government to pay for every thing.  Can you?   

Sweetheart don't you realize not everyone can afford to do that?  Don't you want poor people to get good health care too?  Talked to him some more about it when we went to Frazier's tonight and it would be a real eye opener for ya'll to hear how things are up there for sure. He did say there were some differences but there are also a lot of similarities and they aren't good.  I was also talking to his SIL who is Canadian as well as his MIL who is also Canadian. 

[The Troll]

Sweetheart don't you realize not everyone can afford to do that?  Don't you want poor people to get good health care too?  Talked to him some more about it when we went to Frazier's tonight and it would be a real eye opener for ya'll to hear how things are up there for sure. He did say there were some differences but there are also a lot of similarities and they aren't good.  I was also talking to his SIL who is Canadian as well as his MIL who is also Canadian.

  Well Bumpkin, the American medical care isn't to good.  We are at the bottom of a long list of countries that out lives us.  All of the modern nations have got us bet.  Also the birth death are the worse in American of the modern countries.

  There was a really good new show on CNN tonight examining the health care in other countries.  And Bumpkin the United States suck in medical care.  Wake up and smell the coffee and take your head out of your ass.