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Give Mt Rushmore Back to the Sioux?

Started by Palehorse, May 09, 2012, 11:43:44 AM

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Quote from: Locutus on May 10, 2012, 01:35:28 AM
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that land is going back to the Sioux Indians.  That would require approval of Congress and anything like that would be dead on arrival.  I can't see politicians on either side of the aisle supporting something as radical as that.

I'm not denying that Native Americans were stripped of their lands, relocated unjustly, and marginalized by the early settlers of what would eventually become our nation.  They absolutely were and it wasn't right.   I'm just speaking of the likelihood of any of those lands being returned to anyone.  Those chances are zero.
I realize that too which is why I think it would be wrong for anything to that effect to even be signed. 
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 09, 2012, 02:13:14 PM
I actually am following your logic on this one Troll.

Hell hath truly frozen over!   :biggrin:
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Quote from: me on May 10, 2012, 01:25:16 AM
Troll not many things really piss me off but you'd better back off on this one.  I have very strong feelings about certain things and this is one of them so don't go there.

  Just why can the American Indians make their own "Dream Catchers".  Instead of buying them from China.  Put our Indians back to work making Dream Catchers.   :rant:

  Besides the Chinese are yellow not red.   :wink: :smile:

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Quote from: The Troll on May 10, 2012, 08:57:40 AM
  Just why can the American Indians make their own "Dream Catchers".  Instead of buying them from China.  Put our Indians back to work making Dream Catchers.   :rant:

  Besides the Chinese are yellow not red.   :wink: :smile:
I think it was probably the fact that there weren't enough of them to make the amount they needed to send out so they just did what they needed to do to get them mass produced.  The mom of a friend of hubby's used to donate to them and gave us the dream catcher key chain she got and it was nice but you could tell it had been mass produced and wasn't hand made.  She gave us some other things she had received from them too and some were better quality than others but I don't believe any of it is made there.  I've been to Pow Wow's where you have to watch close what you buy too because some of the people will have what looks to be authentic at their booths and you turn it over and it say's "Made in China."  Needless to say we don't buy from those booths. 
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Quote from: me on May 10, 2012, 09:36:04 AM
I think it was probably the fact that there weren't enough of them to make the amount they needed to send out so they just did what they needed to do to get them mass produced.  The mom of a friend of hubby's used to donate to them and gave us the dream catcher key chain she got and it was nice but you could tell it had been mass produced and wasn't hand made.  She gave us some other things she had received from them too and some were better quality than others but I don't believe any of it is made there.  I've been to Pow Wow's where you have to watch close what you buy too because some of the people will have what looks to be authentic at their booths and you turn it over and it say's "Made in China."  Needless to say we don't buy from those booths.

  My grandmother and grandfather were out in Arizona years and years ago and bought a Dream Catcher and granddad bought a big silver and turquoise ring.  But I do think it's a shame to sell Chinese Dream Catcher.  Why, probably they don't work like a lot of the other crap from China.   :wink: :biggrin:

Locutus

I was just going to mention that you can buy very nice ones in the markets in and around old town Scottsdale, AZ.  And they're all handmade. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

Quote from: The Troll on May 10, 2012, 09:57:57 AM
  My grandmother and grandfather were out in Arizona years and years ago and bought a Dream Catcher and granddad bought a big silver and turquoise ring.  But I do think it's a shame to sell Chinese Dream Catcher.  Why, probably they don't work like a lot of the other crap from China.   :wink: :biggrin:

They work just fine as long as you're dreamin' in Chinese!  :biggrin:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

The Troll

Quote from: Locutus on May 10, 2012, 12:06:49 PM
They work just fine as long as you're dreamin' in Chinese!  :biggrin:

  :doh:  :bow:  You're right!  :haha:  :haha:  :salute: :flag:

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