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The consequences of Citizens United vs. FEC

Started by Locutus, January 29, 2012, 11:16:04 PM

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Locutus

#90
February 06, 2012, 04:10:55 PM
It seems pretty clear cut to me Ex.  ;D
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#91
February 06, 2012, 04:11:11 PM
Furthermore, how about you pull your head out of your ass and actually learn about these issues rather than using yet another of your right-wing propaganda websites as a source?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll

#92
February 06, 2012, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2012, 04:08:03 PM
Try to get this through your thick head: Nothing in our current laws explicitly prohibits foreign companies from creating American subsidiaries or getting control of American companies and using them to flood the airwaves in support of their preferred candidates. The Citizens United ruling gives companies unlimited power to do that - and does not distinguish between American companies and companies that are owned or controlled by foreign interests.  Senate Bill 2959, the American Elections Act of 2010, addressed this issue specifically but your fellow fucking Republicans failed to act to close this gaping hole.

Admit it, you're all a bunch of fucking communists who want your fellow communists to have access to our political process so you can pervert it even further.

   I have meet a lot of good, kind and intelligent people in my 74 years on this earth and I sincerely mean this.  I had never seem someone so ignorant, uneducated in the facts of life, greedy and self centers as "ME" and the Hawk.  It seems like they just crawled out from under some moldy rock.  I had meet some retarded people in my live and they seem to have their head on their shoulders and their feet on the ground unlike "ME" and the Hawk.

  Is there any hope for them, NO!  I also may state these are the last people I would want to cover my back or my country back.   :groan:

Exterminator

#93
February 07, 2012, 07:17:37 PM
Wow...I understand why they did it as it'll be impossible to compete in the general election otherwise but I have to believe that the Obama campaign's decision to encourage donations to the democratic super-Pac is probably the biggest douche-bag move of all time.  Granted, I have never nor will I ever be an incumbent POTUS who is facing what promises to be a close race and still has much he would like to accomplish but abandoning your beliefs to achieve victory makes you one of them and contributes to the downward spiral that our political system has become.

It's a tough call...refuse the money and lose with dignity or accept the money hoping that in your next term you can enact a constitutional amendment barring this influence in future elections.

Our country is fucked no matter who gets elected.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

#94
February 07, 2012, 10:22:24 PM
Well, now some of that foreign cash will be used by the sitting POTUs. Wonder how long it will take the repugnicans to prove what has already been stated numerous times here already?
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The Troll

#95
February 07, 2012, 10:34:07 PM

  I think it was the smart and only move Obama could take.  When the enemy has weapons of mass destruction and all you have is a B-B gun you got to buy some mass destruction weapons of your own.

  The Republican Supreme Court caused this and they and the corrupt Republican Party and their dirty trick team has to be challenged.

  But you're sure hear the Republicans cry.  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:    :trustme:  :zoners:

Palehorse

#96
February 08, 2012, 12:37:16 AM
Quote from: The Troll on February 07, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
  I think it was the smart and only move Obama could take.  When the enemy has weapons of mass destruction and all you have is a B-B gun you got to buy some mass destruction weapons of your own.

  The Republican Supreme Court caused this and they and the corrupt Republican Party and their dirty trick team has to be challenged.

  But you're sure hear the Republicans cry.  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:    :trustme:  :zoners:

I agree with Ex on this one. I still think it is a very stupid move but it does demonstrate that our government is indeed the very best corporate money can buy!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

#97
February 08, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2012, 12:37:16 AM
I agree with Ex on this one. I still think it is a very stupid move but it does demonstrate that our government is indeed the very best corporate money can buy!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

  I think you guys are wrong about this, losing a battle be cause you don't have enough money to win is stupid.  Losing sucks.

  I sure rather be living the next 4 years under Obama and the Democrats than under the Republicans and the clown they pick to run this country.                                             

                                                     :zoners:                            Damn I love this sign.  Because it so true.   :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

#98
February 08, 2012, 09:59:49 AM
Hell, the word is, that Obama already has a billion dollar war chest. How much more does he need?
He had  $770 million for his 2008 bid....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

#99
February 08, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: The Troll on February 08, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
  I think you guys are wrong about this, losing a battle be cause you don't have enough money to win is stupid.  Losing sucks.

  I sure rather be living the next 4 years under Obama and the Democrats than under the Republicans and the clown they pick to run this country.                                             

                                                     :zoners:                            Damn I love this sign.  Because it so true.   :biggrin:

Clearly the POTUS came out against the SCOTUS ruling and has remained against it until now.

He should have stuck to that because there are a LOT of people who agree with his position, and in the final analysis I am confident that this will be receded for the very reasons many of us have listed within this forum since the ruling.

The ruling is dead wrong, and even had he lost in the upcoming election history would show his actions to be 100% correct. Now I am not so sure. . .
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Locutus

#100
February 08, 2012, 12:15:37 PM
I think the viewpoint of the campaign is that you can't fight a conventional war with a nuclear armed opponent.  :yes:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

damfast

#101
February 08, 2012, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2012, 12:15:37 PM
I think the viewpoint of the campaign is that you can't fight a conventional war with a nuclear armed opponent.  :yes:

I bet you can, but you might not win
It's always darkest before the dawn.  So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.

Henry Hawk

#102
February 08, 2012, 12:31:09 PM
I will say this, I think he should stand on principal here.  Though I, STILL think the SCOTUS followed the Constitution and I think standing on principal on what is best for the American people is worth more than the dollars they will recieve.  This could be a wound he may not recover from by flipping sides.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

#103
February 08, 2012, 12:38:57 PM
And I think it is hypocrisy to criticize someone who does what your own party not only does, but actively supported the initiation of.

I think the President is wrong for doing this, but as a couple of others have already stated, I understand why he is doing it.

Now when the opposition begins criticizing him because of the amount of money he generates in embracing their own tactics, well. . . we already know the opposition is flush with hypocrites so it is no surprise.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Exterminator

#104
February 08, 2012, 12:40:32 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2012, 12:31:09 PM
This could be a wound he may not recover from by flipping sides.

He'll have four more years in the White House in which to heal.   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.
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