The consequences of Citizens United vs. FEC

[Henry Hawk]

If a corporation is a, "body of people," as you claim and that corporation is found guilty of wrongdoing, why shouldn't everyone who's a member of that body go to prison?

Typically, corporations are fined and no one is held personally responsible.  Sounds like the party of, "personal responsibility," really wants all of the rights and none of the responsibilities.

Tell that to:

Jeff Skilling, former CEO of Enron
Serving 24 years for fraud, insider trading, and other crimes related to the collapse of Enron

Bernie Ebbers, former CEO of WorldCom
Serving 25 years for accounting fraud that cost investors over $100 billion

Dennis Kozlowski, former CEO of Tyco Serving 8 to 25 years for stealing $134 million from Tyco

John Rigas, former CEO of Adelphia Communications Serving 25 years for bank, wire, and securities fraud related to the demise of Adelphia
Sanjay Kumar, former CEO of Computer Associates Serving 12 years for obstruction of justice and securities fraud

Walter Forbes, former CEO of Cendant Serving 12 years for fraud

Richard Scrushy, former CEO of HealthSouth Serving 7 years for bribery and mail fraud

Joseph Nacchio, former CEO of Qwest Communications
Serving 6 years for insider trading

Sam Waksal, former CEO of ImClone Served 7 years for securities fraud (released last year)

Martin Grass, former CEO of Rite Aid Served 6 years for fraud and obstruction (just released this year)

[followsthewolf]

the latin word for corporations is "body of people".  They are a group of people.  Show me in the constitution where the government has the powers to tell a group of people how much money they can or cannot spend to voice thier opinion.

So they have two standings in this republic/democracy: that  of a private citizen, and that of a "corporate body."

Did I get that right?

[Henry Hawk]

tell me guys, do YOU want coporartions to go away? Is THAT what I am hearing?

[Exterminator]

Not at all but if they're individuals, they should be taxed as individuals and if the corporation is found guilty of wrongdoing, everyone involved in the corporation should go to prison, not just one or two scapegoats.

Alternately, let's just quit calling them individuals and tell them to stay the fuck out of the legislative process.

[Henry Hawk]

Not at all but if they're individuals, they should be taxed as individuals and if the corporation is found guilty of wrongdoing, everyone involved in the corporation should go to prison, not just one or two scapegoats.

So are you against Corporations then?....Like the one you work for?  Like the ones that is supporting your 401K?

[Exterminator]

Read it again.

[Henry Hawk]

I see you snuck some shit in there after your last post.

Alternately, let's just quit calling them individuals and tell them to stay the
fuck out of the legislative process

Like the Unions?

[Exterminator]

I see you snuck some shit in there after your last post.Like the Unions?

Yes, like the unions.

[Henry Hawk]

Yes, like the unions.

I have never seen you bitch about them being too powerful......

now that right to work is in place........we will see just how many people want to support them....they may be losing some of thier power.

so I ask you again.....are you against Corporations?....Like the one you work for?  Like the ones that is supporting your 401K?

[Exterminator]

I don't often bitch about unions because they generally represent their members in the legislative process.  The wealthy and corporate CEO's typically represent no one but themselves.

I've already said I am not against corporations but they aren't people nor should they have the same inalienable rights as are granted to people; can't you read?

[Henry Hawk]

I don't often bitch about unions because they generally represent their members in the legislative process.  The wealthy and corporate CEO's typically represent no one but themselves.

I've already said I am not against corporations but they aren't people nor should they have the same inalienable rights as are granted to people; can't you read?

yes

[Palehorse]

Among the problems I see with the granting of corporations constitutional rights, is the stark difference in how they are treated when it comes to conducting themselves.

You and I MUST respect every individuals constitutional rights, and when we impose upon them we are held legally accountable for it. Not so with corporations. They can trample our individual, constitutional rights all day long, and there is not a thing you can do to legally hold them accountable for it. 

The equal application of law does not apply to corporations, and that in itself is a major problem!

[followsthewolf]

Precisely.

[Henry Hawk]

the bottom line is still, the government has NO right to tell anyone or business HOW much they can or cannot spend to promote free speech.
That is all I am saying regarding Citizens United vs. FEC.
THAT was what it was all about.

[followsthewolf]

the bottom line is still, the government has NO right to tell anyone or business HOW much they can or cannot spend to promote free speech.
That is all I am saying regarding Citizens United vs. FEC.
THAT was what it was all about.

No, it wasn't what it was all about, and you know it, Henry.

It was about moneyed people being able to guarantee themselves favorable legislation to make incredible profits.

Buying the favor of those who control the legislation was the bottom line.

If you think it was about anything else, you're either hallucinating or incredibly naive.