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Locutus

#15
March 29, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Actually, if I recall correctly, the voyages of the Star Ship Enterprise, including the voyages during the Next Generation series, all occurred inside the Milky Way galaxy.  The enormity of the cosmos is so huge that even Gene Roddenberry and his writers never sent the Enterprise outside of our own galaxy.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

#16
March 29, 2012, 11:55:30 AM
which makes me even more certain there IS a God.
I can understand the argument regarding the Holy God from the Bible....that is NOT my beef.

But to think that there is NO creator, that this vast existence just began at a boom and a bang....boggles my mind.

Wow! is the only word that describe the enormity of space.

gives me a headache every time I think about...but it IS amazing.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#17
March 29, 2012, 12:24:05 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 11:55:30 AM
which makes me even more certain there IS a God.
I can understand the argument regarding the Holy God from the Bible....that is NOT my beef.

But to think that there is NO creator, that this vast existence just began at a boom and a bang....boggles my mind.

Wow! is the only word that describe the enormity of space.

gives me a headache every time I think about...but it IS amazing.

  And you think it was all cause by the Sky God who watches you every day writing down your supposed sins.  24 hours a day, 365 day a year for ever and ever and if you break one he will cast you into hell for ever and ever, because he loves you.

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Henry Hawk

#18
March 29, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 12:24:05 PM
  And you think it was all cause by the Sky God who watches you every day writing down your supposed sins.  24 hours a day, 365 day a year for ever and ever and if you break one he will cast you into hell for ever and ever, because he loves you.

                                                         :haha:    BLOGNA  :haha:





didn't say that did I?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#19
March 29, 2012, 12:35:29 PM
I keep hoping that there would be at least one subject we could discuss without the animosity.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#20
March 29, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: Olias on March 29, 2012, 12:35:29 PM
I keep hoping that there would be at least one subject we could discuss without the animosity.

I am open, especially on this one....I have never, and will never force my religious beliefs on anyone.

When I discuss the vastness of our universe..............God, always comes to my mind.  Like I said, it does not have to be the God of Abraham....but God, the Creator. 

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#21
March 29, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
didn't say that did I?

  You sure did and that's what I answered.   Just a few years ago they thought they seen the edge of the universe.  Then we built the Hubble telescope and aimed it at a small spot in our sky that seemed not to have any stars.  They aimed the Hubble there for three days and guess what, they seen more and more galaxies and more stars than before.

  Right now we are at the end of searching farther into the universe.  Why?  Because we haven't lived long enough for the light to reach us.  Just think light travels 186,000 miles per second and it hasn't reach yet.  If nothing is endless and space is nothing, who know what is out there, I don't think you would find your God. 

  But if you want to go on in life believing in what you do, it's fine with me.  I don't care if you worship a Golden Calf again.  You Christians can do what ever you want to to your kind and religion, just leave me and my ilk out of your plans and we will get along fine.  :salute:   :pope:  Oh yeah, put something in the pot.  :stirthepot:

Henry Hawk

#22
March 29, 2012, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
  You sure did and that's what I answered.   

are you on dope?

really?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#23
March 29, 2012, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
I am open, especially on this one....I have never, and will never force my religious beliefs on anyone.

When I discuss the vastness of our universe..............God, always comes to my mind.  Like I said, it does not have to be the God of Abraham....but God, the Creator.

A reasonable answer. Thank you.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#24
March 29, 2012, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: Olias on March 29, 2012, 02:21:10 PM
A reasonable answer. Thank you.

You are welcome...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#25
March 29, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 02:13:02 PM
are you on dope?

really?

  OK, I'll open my mind.  Tell me why there has to be a God and supreme being.  How many Gods has man went though to reach where we are.  The gods that the Egyptians had, the Greeks had, the Inca, the Mayans, the Muslims and many other gods.  On and on and on gods that people worshiped on their knees, gave their lives for, the people they kill in his name, the money and the time they gave their religious leaders and it was all smoke and mirrors.  All of their dreams and faithfulness for not. 

  What make you so sure your not just another believer in a phony god.  I would like to know.  If a Supreme Being a Real God exist, I would like for him to show himself to us like he did over 2000 years ago.  I think we as a people are smarter and could really believe he exist.  It sure would open my eyes, for I don't think there is a God and faith in something that is invisible  doesn't carry a thing with me.  I'm sorry I just don't believe in fairy tales.

libby

#26
March 31, 2012, 08:15:59 PM
 One of my favorite sci-fi stories goes like this: A man becomes aware that he is standing in a line of people slowly walking forward. It seems to be foggy, so he can't see anything familiar, and he can't remember how or why he got wherever he is. As the line inches forward, people in front and behind him also ask the same questions, but nobody has a clue. Maybe we're dead, somebody said, and they talked a little about that, but mostly there was worried silence.  Finally the man could see up ahead a very large building. As he got closer, he saw that some people were turned away; they couldn't go farther -- it was as if there was an invisible barrier. He had no trouble moving forward, though, and finally found himself standing just outside an open door. He went in and found himself in a huge high-ceiling'd room, with lines of chairs and a podium up front. When the last person came in and the door shut, they waited breathlessly to see what would happen next. A tall man walked up to the podium, looked around, and said:

"Welcome to kindergarten!"

All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Locutus

#27
March 31, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
Just a few years ago they thought they seen the edge of the universe.  Then we built the Hubble telescope and aimed it at a small spot in our sky that seemed not to have any stars.  They aimed the Hubble there for three days and guess what, they seen more and more galaxies and more stars than before.




Yep!  It was a deep field image and was quite a risk at the time.  You don't waste time on a high power telescope pointing it somewhere where there may be nothing.  This video sums up what they found.  VERY humbling indeed.  The majesty of the cosmos is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/v/oAVjF_7ensg&feature=player_embedded#!


One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

#28
April 01, 2012, 02:25:56 PM
If you take the time to watch that video, please let me know what you think about what the Hubble was able to show us.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

The Troll

#29
April 01, 2012, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2012, 02:25:56 PM
If you take the time to watch that video, please let me know what you think about what the Hubble was able to show us.

  And to think the tight money people wanted not to go and fix it one more time.  From what I have read, unless some new device is invented we are at the end of out viewing of outer space because the light of anything farther out hasn't reached us.

  When I read and think about the universe and how small earth is and the small sun we rely on why would a supreme being put all of the humans on one little planet on the out reaches of the Milky Way Galaxy.  Why would a entity with this  power want to watch us forever and ever and put us in his hell if we don't get on our knees and pray for his forgiveness

  Until that day that "GOD" want to speak up, I just can't believe in smoke, mirrors and fairy tales.  If that day comes and I am proved wrong and I am standing before that mighty throne and "GOD" ask why I didn't believe in him.  I am going to say, you made me with free will and if you really wanted to believe, you would have actually said something and  presented your case a little better if you didn't have Pat Robertson, Jerry Farwell, Jim Swaggert, Lester Summerall and all of the other quacks saying your word and had some one else write the bible than King Constantine and a bunch of so called religious leaders.  Have at it, because I'm below that pay grade.  :smile:
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