NFL Speak - The Rough House Version

[Palehorse]

The last act of desperation. . .

One and done. . .

[Locutus]

The early signs regarding the health of Robert Griffin III 's knee were not good. The reports are only getting worse.

Mark Maske and Mike Jones of The Washington Post reported Monday that an MRI on the Redskins rookie quarterback's knee suggests partial tears of his anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments. Additional testing is required to determine if the test results show new or old injuries .

Griffin left in the fourth quarter of Sunday's 24-14 NFC wild-card loss to the Seattle Seahawks because of a knee injury.

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said at his Monday news conference that Griffin's MRI was "open to interpretation" so the team is sending him to Dr. James Andrews in Florida. Redskins owner Dan Snyder reportedly will accompany Griffin to Florida, which is not a great sign. The Washington Post report supports the notion that more interpretation is necessary, but things clearly aren't looking good.

"One person with knowledge of the situation said Griffin might have to undergo exploratory surgery to determine the extent of the damage and whether the injuries are new," the report states. "Another said Griffin hopes to avoid full-blown reconstructive surgery if the tears are partial, even if they are new injuries."

The Post is being careful in its reporting and not making any definitive statements, but it wouldn't go with this report without a lot of information regarding what Griffin's tests indicate. The biggest question is if the partial tears are the result of Sunday's injuries.

Griffin's test results remain open for interpretation, and Andrews should provide a final answer Tuesday. It's too early to jump to conclusions, but Monday's news on balance looks discouraging for Griffin's long-term health.

[Locutus]

^^ He should have never been allowed to put himself in the situation to get injured like that. 

They put a franchise quarterback's career on the line to win a wildcard game. 

[Locutus]

I think Palehorse predicted this would be the case at the time:

New York, NY —
Former NFL star linebacker Junior Seau reportedly suffered from a brain disease, likely caused by two decades worth of blows to the head, when he killed himself last May.

Seau ended his life at his home in California with a gunshot to the chest. Many believed he shot himself in the chest to preserve his brain for testing, and his family members donated it to neuroscientists at the National Institutes for Health.

According to a report from ABC News and ESPN, researchers have concluded that Seau suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative disease typically caused by multiple hits to the head.

Seau, who was just 43 years old when he died, was known as one of the hardest hitters during his 20 NFL seasons. He spent 13 years with San Diego, three with Miami and four with New England before retiring after the 2009 season.

The 12-time Pro Bowl selection is just the latest former NFL player to be diagnosed with CTE, which can only be ascertained after death.

Former NFL defensive back Dave Duerson, who played with the Chicago Bears, New York Giants and Arizona Cardinals, also killed himself in 2011 and was found to have CTE. He asked his family to donate his brain for testing.

The Seau report could also be another blow to the NFL in its ongoing issues with concussions and brain disease. Numerous lawsuits have been filed against the league by former players who have alleged the NFL knew about the dangers of concussions and other head injuries, but did nothing to protect the players.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has made player safety among his chief concerns in recent years.

[Palehorse]

I think Palehorse predicted this would be the case at the time:

New York, NY —
Former NFL star linebacker Junior Seau reportedly suffered from a brain disease, likely caused by two decades worth of blows to the head, when he killed himself last May.

Seau ended his life at his home in California with a gunshot to the chest. Many believed he shot himself in the chest to preserve his brain for testing, and his family members donated it to neuroscientists at the National Institutes for Health.

According to a report from ABC News and ESPN, researchers have concluded that Seau suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative disease typically caused by multiple hits to the head.

Seau, who was just 43 years old when he died, was known as one of the hardest hitters during his 20 NFL seasons. He spent 13 years with San Diego, three with Miami and four with New England before retiring after the 2009 season.

The 12-time Pro Bowl selection is just the latest former NFL player to be diagnosed with CTE, which can only be ascertained after death.

Former NFL defensive back Dave Duerson, who played with the Chicago Bears, New York Giants and Arizona Cardinals, also killed himself in 2011 and was found to have CTE. He asked his family to donate his brain for testing.

The Seau report could also be another blow to the NFL in its ongoing issues with concussions and brain disease. Numerous lawsuits have been filed against the league by former players who have alleged the NFL knew about the dangers of concussions and other head injuries, but did nothing to protect the players.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has made player safety among his chief concerns in recent years.

Indeed I did. This feeds right into the fact that RG3's career was potentially ruined via the selfish and ignorant decision to play him last weekend despite his obvious knee injury and resulting impairment. 

The deaths of Seau, Duerson, and others, along with injuries to players like RG3, demonstrate the "win at all cost" mantra of the league/owners. 

[followsthewolf]

Since when did ANY business (corporation, etc.) give a rat's ass about the safety of its employees when measured against the success of the business?

Back in my undergrad days, I worked in a plastics factory as a mix man, handling many chemicals that the employer knew were very dangerous, especially if one breathed the dust or particles from the dry ones.

I was never given so much as a dust mask, much less a respirator.

Now I have been diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis, which doctors suspect is a result of the exposure.

I contacted the company. They don't even have a record of my having worked there at all.

What's more, they have no record of several other employees who worked there at the time.

Interesting, eh?

So, the NFL and its "Win at any cost" attitude is not a surprise to me.

MONEY buys lives. Who gives a shit about a life or two as long as the company makes a profit.

And there are still those out there who just canNOT understand why a union and it regulations are necessary.

[me]

Since when did ANY business (corporation, etc.) give a rat's ass about the safety of its employees when measured against the success of the business?

Back in my undergrad days, I worked in a plastics factory as a mix man, handling many chemicals that the employer knew were very dangerous, especially if one breathed the dust or particles from the dry ones.

I was never given so much as a dust mask, much less a respirator.

Now I have been diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis, which doctors suspect is a result of the exposure.

I contacted the company. They don't even have a record of my having worked there at all.

What's more, they have no record of several other employees who worked there at the time.

Interesting, eh?

So, the NFL and its "Win at any cost" attitude is not a surprise to me.

MONEY buys lives. Who gives a shit about a life or two as long as the company makes a profit.

And there are still those out there who just canNOT understand why a union and it regulations are necessary.

Won't the Social Security office have a record of you working there because of credits earned during that time period?

[Palehorse]

Since when did ANY business (corporation, etc.) give a rat's ass about the safety of its employees when measured against the success of the business?

Back in my undergrad days, I worked in a plastics factory as a mix man, handling many chemicals that the employer knew were very dangerous, especially if one breathed the dust or particles from the dry ones.

I was never given so much as a dust mask, much less a respirator.

Now I have been diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis, which doctors suspect is a result of the exposure.

I contacted the company. They don't even have a record of my having worked there at all.

What's more, they have no record of several other employees who worked there at the time.

Interesting, eh?

So, the NFL and its "Win at any cost" attitude is not a surprise to me.

MONEY buys lives. Who gives a shit about a life or two as long as the company makes a profit.

And there are still those out there who just canNOT understand why a union and it regulations are necessary.

Indeed. I believe it actually exemplifies just how recalcitrant the NFLPA is toward its duty to protect its players and may actually be evidence of a suspected collusion with owners.

It's why I, as management within my current industry, place such a strong emphasis upon the safety of all who work within the facility. If I don't do so there are very few who will, and that is unacceptable to me. 

[Henry Hawk]

Indeed. I believe it actually exemplifies just how recalcitrant the NFLPA is toward its duty to protect its players and may actually be evidence of a suspected collusion with owners.

It's why I, as management within my current industry, place such a strong emphasis upon the safety of all who work within the facility. If I don't do so there are very few who will, and that is unacceptable to me. 

Being from a somewhat "small family business" with the owner who has some strong moral values....safety is emphasized, first and foremost.  I know FTW is correct, and the large corporations have a disconnect between the employee and their value.  I saw where it was implied to some of us have a bad attitude towards Unions....I will say this, that MOST unions, I have no problem with, and they are excellent for looking out for the safety and best interests of employees.....I just personally, believe that certain unions, became corrupt and greedy, and lost the "best interest" of its people and therefore, Companies moved on to other places.

[followsthewolf]

Won't the Social Security office have a record of you working there because of credits earned during that time period?

Absolutely.

And guess what the company said.

"Ooooops. Our bad."

No apology for the lies.

[libby]

Absolutely.

And guess what the company said.

"Ooooops. Our bad."

No apology for the lies.

Wolf, it makes me angry just to think about that. I hope you got/can get something from the company. As I think I've mentioned here, my father was a coal miner who died at age 48 of lung cancer. He was too ill to work the last two years of his life. My mother was too young for social security (43) and was left with nothing except her little house and 5 children. Although the United Mine Workers paid his medical bills, my mother got nothing, because the cause of death was lung cancer.  No mention of work-related complications. It was very hard going for all of us but I finally tracked down a young doctor who used to come to our house to see daddy that last year, when he was bedridden. I asked if he remembered him, and he said, "yes, indeed," and that he would be glad to certify that he had pneumoconiosis (black lung) as well as cancer. And he wrote a letter. It was as simple as that -- and my mother qualified for retroactive and future monthly payments from a special federal fund set up for coal miners with black lung. After she was old enough to also draw social security, she said to me, "It's a good feeling to be able to go to the grocery store and not worry about having enough money to pay for what I need."

[followsthewolf]

Understood, Libby.

Glad it turned out well for your mom.

We're after the company. They will end up paying for lots of us.

[duke jupiter]

Wolf, it makes me angry just to think about that. I hope you got/can get something from the company. As I think I've mentioned here, my father was a coal miner who died at age 48 of lung cancer. He was too ill to work the last two years of his life. My mother was too young for social security (43) and was left with nothing except her little house and 5 children. Although the United Mine Workers paid his medical bills, my mother got nothing, because the cause of death was lung cancer.  No mention of work-related complications. It was very hard going for all of us but I finally tracked down a young doctor who used to come to our house to see daddy that last year, when he was bedridden. I asked if he remembered him, and he said, "yes, indeed," and that he would be glad to certify that he had pneumoconiosis (black lung) as well as cancer. And he wrote a letter. It was as simple as that -- and my mother qualified for retroactive and future monthly payments from a special federal fund set up for coal miners with black lung. After she was old enough to also draw social security, she said to me, "It's a good feeling to be able to go to the grocery store and not worry about having enough money to pay for what I need."

Hey Libby,
Do you remember Ken Hechler? He helped my Grandmother receive black lung benefits. My Grandfather died as a result of a mining accident in the late 1940's and  due to x-rays which showed blood filled lungs (he was crushed by a roof fall and lived 3 days) benefits were denied until 1973 or so even though by the age of 47 my Grandfather had over 33 years service in the mines during a time when dust conditions were terrible. Ole' Ken did the right thing and did what was expected of a representative of the state, he represented and came to the aid of a citizen.

Best regards,
Duke (life is tough sometimes ain't it) Jupiter

[libby]

Hey Libby,
Do you remember Ken Hechler? He helped my Grandmother receive black lung benefits. My Grandfather died as a result of a mining accident in the late 1940's and  due to x-rays which showed blood filled lungs (he was crushed by a roof fall and lived 3 days) benefits were denied until 1973 or so even though by the age of 47 my Grandfather had over 33 years service in the mines during a time when dust conditions were terrible. Ole' Ken did the right thing and did what was expected of a representative of the state, he represented and came to the aid of a citizen.

Best regards,
Duke (life is tough sometimes ain't it) Jupiter

Hey Duke.  Yes, it is, but I try to remember the good times -- and not dwell on the bad.

And yes, I remember Hechler. I'm glad he came through for your family just as the doctor did for mine.   

Libby

[Palehorse]

Denver vs Baltimore, and the fix is in. . .

I think Manning is having neck problems. . .