Guitar Frets: Environmental Enforcement Leaves Musicians in Fear

[The Troll]

But hey, let's target one of the last companies in the country that actually makes anything here!

  You're damn right EX.  How about targeting the bankers, the stock market, the hedge funds and the payday loan companies.  The drug companies, health insurance companies and so on and so no, and so on.   

[me]

I just learned a tidbit of interesting info.  The Gibson factory is the only guitar maker targeted and, guess what, the CEO is a Republican.  Hum, wonder what's wrong with that picture.

[The Troll]

I just learned a tidbit of interesting info.  The Gibson factory is the only guitar maker targeted and, guess what, the CEO is a Republican.  Hum, wonder what's wrong with that picture.

  Give me a break!    Butthole.   

[Henry Hawk]

I have just really "tuned" in here (no pun intended.. ) but WOW, this really reeks...."While the feds say the wood – as imported – is illegal, had it been 'finished' by workers in India, it would have been perfectly legal to import. The wood itself was not banned, just the manufacturing process – or lack of it."....One does have to wonder WHY this is happening.........also, it just goes to show you how SOME of the regulations can be "impeding" on business....Gov needs to figure out a way to back out of business and quit sticking it's nose in it.

[followsthewolf]

I just learned a tidbit of interesting info.  The Gibson factory is the only guitar maker targeted and, guess what, the CEO is a Republican.  Hum, wonder what's wrong with that picture.

Don't fret. They'll only pick on him for a while. Just stringin' him along

[me]

I have just really "tuned" in here (no pun intended.. ) but WOW, this really reeks...."While the feds say the wood – as imported – is illegal, had it been 'finished' by workers in India, it would have been perfectly legal to import. The wood itself was not banned, just the manufacturing process – or lack of it."....One does have to wonder WHY this is happening.........also, it just goes to show you how SOME of the regulations can be "impeding" on business....Gov needs to figure out a way to back out of business and quit sticking it's nose in it.

I was just going to add that little tidbit of info too.  There goes some more jobs plus the claim that it is an all American made product.  This whole thing is just pure BS.

[The Troll]

I was just going to add that little tidbit of info too.  There goes some more jobs plus the claim that it is an all American made product.  This whole thing is just pure BS.

  That's all the fuss.  Either it is illegal or not.  DNA will prove one way or the other wither it is rare wood that cannot be harvested or not.

  And record keeping will tell if the wood was boughten legal or illegal.  The courts will decide.  No job will be lost unless the company was willfully buying rare wood and if they did they deserve to be fined. 

  Always wanting to put the horse behind the cart to pull it.   

[me]

  That's all the fuss.  Either it is illegal or not.  DNA will prove one way or the other wither it is rare wood that cannot be harvested or not.

  And record keeping will tell if the wood was boughten legal or illegal.  The courts will decide.  No job will be lost unless the company was willfully buying rare wood and if they did they deserve to be fined. 

  Always wanting to put the horse behind the cart to pull it.   

It was purchased legally and they have been doing it since day one so why are they making a big deal out of it now.  It's BS and you know it.  The wood is just as rare if it already has the frets and inlays put in....got it duffus.

[The Troll]

It was purchased legally and they have been doing it since day one so why are they making a big deal out of it now.  It's BS and you know it.  The wood is just as rare if it already has the frets and inlays put in....got it duffus.

  Just how do you know all of the bull shit you are putting out is true.  Do you have direct inside connection with this raid.   

  Oh, I forgot the CEO is a Republican and Obama did this.    Sour Note

[me]

  Just how do you know all of the bull shit you are putting out is true.  Do you have direct inside connection with this raid.   

  Oh, I forgot the CEO is a Republican and Obama did this.    Sour Note

Obama's appointee did it.  Why now?  Why only that company?  Why would it be legal even without a permit if the same wood had already had the inlays and frets in it?  I'm sure they didn't have to confiscate the wood that was aging or being readied to put on a guitar neck they could have checked for the proper permits first.  Gibson has been making guitars for years and other guitar makers use the same materials so why just Gibson?  Any way you slice it it's BS and going to cause a loss of jobs which are badly needed right now. 

[Palehorse]

You obviously haven't had any exposure to the international pallet/skid industry. If you had, you'd know that all that tripe you just spewed was utter nonsense!

[Palehorse]

http://na.fs.fed.us/ss/06/werc/woodpacking_standards.pdf

[Palehorse]

And here's a little light reading for you on the subject:

. . .CITES was drafted as a result of a resolution adopted in 1963 at a meeting of members of IUCN (The World Conservation Union). The text of the Convention was finally agreed at a meeting of representatives of 80 countries in Washington DC., United States of America, on 3 March 1973, and on 1 July 1975 CITES entered in force. . .

http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/what.php

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/plant_imports/wood_packaging_materials.shtml

http://www.fas.usda.gov/ffpd/highlights/ISPM_15_Frequently_Asked_Questions.pdf

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/897/~/importing-wood-products-into-the-united-states

http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/how.php

http://www.fws.gov/le/pdffiles/CITES_Treaty.pdf

[me]

That's all well and good but we aren't talking pallets here we're talking rosewood for fret boards.  It is wood you have to have a permit for to even purchase it legally and the purpose in buying it is to finish it into something not to buy it already finished which you can do without a permit.  Does this mean all the other guitar makers and furniture makers are going to be subject to the same thing that just happened to Gibson and that the Chinese are going to have to make the product for them and then ship it to them?  I'm sorry but I just can't figure any way to justify what they did.

[Palehorse]

That's all well and good but we aren't talking pallets here we're talking rosewood for fret boards.  It is wood you have to have a permit for to even purchase it legally and the purpose in buying it is to finish it into something not to buy it already finished which you can do without a permit.  Does this mean all the other guitar makers and furniture makers are going to be subject to the same thing that just happened to Gibson and that the Chinese are going to have to make the product for them and then ship it to them?  I'm sorry but I just can't figure any way to justify what they did.

You just validated my assumptions that you wouldn't read a damned thing i posted, nor any of the links provided in order to enlighten you surrounding the importation of wood  world wide. . .