Just askin...

[Henry Hawk]

PH, first of all you are taking what I said and turning into another argument....My origninal comment was that Military are not complaining about thier pay....which, most are NOT...

Now you bring up a whole new topic about Military Funding and Bills that the dickheads in Washington are using to pass other bills....

My whole point was, those who sign up in the first place are NOT doing because tha pay is great....they know exactly what they are going to be paid.

that seems to be the way 'debates' go on here....

[Palehorse]

PH, first of all you are taking what I said and turning into another argument....My origninal comment was that Military are not complaining about thier pay....which, most are NOT...

Now you bring up a whole new topic about Military Funding and Bills that the dickheads in Washington are using to pass other bills....

My whole point was, those who sign up in the first place are NOT doing because tha pay is great....they know exactly what they are going to be paid.

that seems to be the way 'debates' go on here....

Prove they are not. . . I say they are and have proven it.

[Henry Hawk]

Prove they are not. . . I say they are and have proven it.

every person KNOWS what the pay is when they hold their hand up and take the oath.....

you need more proof?

that is a fact.....


Are you sayin those guys are lied too, then after they go through boot camp, they are then told the truth?

seriously...wth are you arguing about.....what I said is 100% true.

[Palehorse]

. . .Officers make more in base pay, enlisted folks get clothing allowances that officers do not, and enlisted get more BAS than officers.  (I STILL haven't figured that out!)  However, with over 70 different pays and allowances, total military compensation is about much more than rank.  Variations for occupation, time in service, duty station, and deployment status mean that a lower-ranking service member can make much more  than a higher ranking service member.  Assignment incentive pay can, in extreme circumstances, be even more than base pay.   There are even special allowances, such as BAH-Diff and Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance, specifically for unusual family situations.  And bonuses – we could write pages on the relative merits of various bonus programs. . .


As for my bringing congress into all of this, they are responsible for the budget cuts that have eliminated funding for domestic units here at home, and created months long periods of unemployment for active US Military members here at home!

And while it is true that our current military is 100% volunteer, just how long do you expect that it will remain so if this crap continues? How long before our children are subjected to a draft because of the inability of our government to fairly and consistently pay these men and women?

Your blanket statement surrounding military members NOT complaining about their pay is nothing more than 100% pure speculation based upon propaganda. It is not based in fact.

[Henry Hawk]

it is a fact that military get paid a certain amount a month for their services...........

it is a fact that they sign based upon thier own free will.....

it is a fact that if they don't like what the pay is, after they sign, it is no one elses fault.

those are three facts....that based my conclusion........NO PROPAGANDA INVOLVED.

WHY ARE YOU JUST WANTING TO ARGUE?

you have completely side tracked my whold point because of this...

I am not saying that our govenment is not screwing them in other ways....the are

[Palehorse]

YOU were the one who said you don't hear anyone in the military complaining about their pay.

Now that I've shown that claim to be false, you are saying, basically, "screw them". 

I'm done. And you know damned well why I am quick to stand and be heard when I read/hear/see anyone misrepresenting our military!

[Henry Hawk]

YOU were the one who said you don't hear anyone in the military complaining about their pay.

Now that I've shown that claim to be false, you are saying, basically, "screw them". 

I'm done. And you know damned well why I am quick to stand and be heard when I read/hear/see anyone misrepresenting our military!

wow!!!

we are on TWO completely different wave lengths......

[The Troll]

wow!!!

we are on TWO completely different wave lengths......

  You sure are.  Always writting checks your ass can't cash.  Ding Dong, Ding Dong, Ding dong.  Who's there?  Duh,

[Henry Hawk]

Troll said:

I suppose you think since the people in the Army, Navy, Air Force and the Coast Guard don't have a bitch, is because they volunteered.  Is that what you are saying.  They asked for it and a whole lot would like to get out now and get out of war.  What a fart bag. 

  Henry do you honestly believe that these $40,000 a year staffers who took the raises don't love America.  But desides all of your lies, I heard on TV today, there was no pay raised given.  So why don't you take a pay cut to prove that you love America.  Henery you are truly an asshole and I do mean an asshole  ( * ). 

First of all, I don't hear our Military complaining due to lack of pay...(although, I personally believe THEY should be getting a raise, NOT some dickheaded WhiteHouse staffers)...but, every person who becomes a soldier know exactly what their pay is when they sign on the dotted line...

Secondly, I do not get paid from tax payers money.....If I take a pay cut will not improve our country......are YOU really that ignorant?  seriously?

and third, maybe I am an asshole Troll, at least in YOUR eyes I am.  But, I can tell you one thing I know when we are being snookered by a bunch of politicians.....like we are right now. 

Listen to me on this Troll.....I can honestly care less, if a millionaire has to pay a few more percentage points on taxes...maybe they should.  But I believe in standing on principals.  Raising taxes will NOT fix anything.  Our dickheads in Washington will just find MORE ways to spend those tax revenues....THEY will NOT balance any budget.  They PRINCIPAL that MOST conservatives want to adhere to is this......LISTEN CLOSELY...

QUIT SPENDING MONEY WE DO NOT HAVE!!!!!  Get rid of fraudulant spending!!!!  Quit spending on programs that we should not have in the first place!!!!!  The vast majority of conservatives do NOT want to do away with SS, Medicaid or Medicare.  We just want to utilize the money we currently bring in.  We need to be smarter with our money.  The basic principal of keeping taxes low, and keeping Government at a reduced level as possible is a GOOD THING for this Nation.......NOT HIGH TAXES AND A LARGE GOVERNMENT!!!  why oh why is this SO  hard for a democrat to understand!!!!

WHY?  seriously......Palehorse?  Sandy?  all of you guys, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT CONCEPT?  I am asking you to give me your honest answer...I am NOT an asshole, just because Troll cannot understand basic principals.


and last Troll, I really do not appreciate the way you slam my place of employement OR my boss.  YOU don't know shit, and you prove it when you speak like you do.  and YOU can kiss my ass too, while you are at it.   

[The Troll]

  Herery, I don't even know where you work or put in you time sitting on your ass.  You don't have the "balls" to tell us.  I'll tell you where I worked, my badge number.  I also tell you my plumbing contractor number.

  Hell, I was proud of where I worked.  Now I wasn't to proud of some of the asshole I worked for because every business has got his assholes.  I don't know where you rate with your secret company.   

[Henry Hawk]

  Herery, I don't even know where you work or put in you time sitting on your ass.  You don't have the "balls" to tell us.  I'll tell you where I worked, my badge number.  I also tell you my plumbing contractor number.

  Hell, I was proud of where I worked.  Now I wasn't to proud of some of the asshole I worked for because every business has got his assholes.  I don't know where you rate with your secret company.   

I haven't kept it a secret, but this is also a publinc domain....and certain info does NOT need to be revealed....I would tell you in person though....and one of these days, when you are buying me that tenderloin and beer, I will tell you...

[dan foster]

Troll said:
First of all, I don't hear our Military complaining due to lack of pay...(although, I personally believe THEY should be getting a raise, NOT some dickheaded WhiteHouse staffers)...but, every person who becomes a soldier know exactly what their pay is when they sign on the dotted line...

Secondly, I do not get paid from tax payers money.....If I take a pay cut will not improve our country......are YOU really that ignorant?  seriously?

and third, maybe I am an asshole Troll, at least in YOUR eyes I am.  But, I can tell you one thing I know when we are being snookered by a bunch of politicians.....like we are right now. 

Listen to me on this Troll.....I can honestly care less, if a millionaire has to pay a few more percentage points on taxes...maybe they should.  But I believe in standing on principals.  Raising taxes will NOT fix anything.  Our dickheads in Washington will just find MORE ways to spend those tax revenues....THEY will NOT balance any budget.  They PRINCIPAL that MOST conservatives want to adhere to is this......LISTEN CLOSELY...

QUIT SPENDING MONEY WE DO NOT HAVE!!!!!  Get rid of fraudulant spending!!!!  Quit spending on programs that we should not have in the first place!!!!!  The vast majority of conservatives do NOT want to do away with SS, Medicaid or Medicare.  We just want to utilize the money we currently bring in.  We need to be smarter with our money.  The basic principal of keeping taxes low, and keeping Government at a reduced level as possible is a GOOD THING for this Nation.......NOT HIGH TAXES AND A LARGE GOVERNMENT!!!  why oh why is this SO  hard for a democrat to understand!!!!

WHY?  seriously......Palehorse?  Sandy?  all of you guys, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT CONCEPT?  I am asking you to give me your honest answer...I am NOT an asshole, just because Troll cannot understand basic principals.


and last Troll, I really do not appreciate the way you slam my place of employement OR my boss.  YOU don't know shit, and you prove it when you speak like you do.  and YOU can kiss my ass too, while you are at it.   

You doing OK there kid, until you brought the fox news talking points to bear on: "keeping taxes low" which really means keeping the bush tax giveaway to the richest few (ever) in place to help your poor, helpless, billionaire friends keep from paying what they really owe.  Fuck you.

[Palehorse]