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Started by Henry Hawk, June 09, 2011, 01:44:21 PM

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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 10, 2011, 12:33:51 PM
If you were really interested and had bothered to read the link I provided, it is explained very clearly.  The increases in revenue had nothing to do with Bush or those tax cuts; they were consistent with the "40-year historical average as a percentage of gross domestic product."  In other words, similar increases in revenue were happening most every year prior to those tax cuts.  What those tax cuts did was lower the amount of the increase compared to earlier years so the tax cuts had a negative overall effect on revenue, not a positive one as you claim.

Consider it this way...let's say that you have a 401K at work into which you put 5% of your income.  Let's say that every year you get a raise so your contribution increases every year.  Now let's assume that you lower your withholding to 4% at the same time you get your annual raise and that that raise is large enough to more than cover the decrease in your withholding from 5% to 4%.  In this scenario, your withholding increased despite your having lowered the percentage, not because of it much in the same way that the increase in federal revenue increased despite Bush's tax cuts, not because of them.

I will say I do follow your logic on this....and can somewhat agree with it.  But to say the tax cuts had NO positive effect on the economy is ludicrious.....

Here is another article I have read, that you should give it a quick read....it even supports your view that the Bush Tax Cuts does not deserve the credit many claim it should....it does discuss other intangibles that must be included.

Read this (when you get a chance) and tell me what you think....

One thing that kind of bounces off your theory is.......

Raising taxes from 28% in 1989, to 39% in 1994 can in fact reduce the taxes collected. Tax collections went from 8.3% of the GDP in 1989 to 7.8% in 1994. The tax revenue increased from $1028.4 (billions) to $1356.5, a 31.9% increase. Because of economic growth, inflation, and other variables we could assume with the old 28% tax rate the tax revenues would have been around $1,443.5 or a 40.3% increase.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2011, 01:04:08 PM
But to say the tax cuts had NO positive effect on the economy is ludicrious.....

Which is why I never said it.

QuoteOne thing that kind of bounces off your theory is.......

I've seen numbers that refute this but don't have time to look for them now...again...

Did you mean to link to an article or was it the article out of which your quotation was made?

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 10, 2011, 03:06:25 PM
Which is why I never said it.

I've seen numbers that refute this but don't have time to look for them now...again...

Fair enough....

Quote from: Exterminator on June 10, 2011, 03:06:25 PM
Did you mean to link to an article or was it the article out of which your quotation was made?

Whoops, I thought I attached the link...

http://www.floridapoliticalpress.com/2011/05/23/does-raising-personal-taxes-increase-federal-revenues/
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2011, 03:28:25 PM

Fair enough....
 
Whoops, I thought I attached the link...

http://www.floridapoliticalpress.com/2011/05/23/does-raising-personal-taxes-increase-federal-revenues/

  The Florida Political Press, it you want the truth and with no biases, you go to The Florida Political Press and The Fox New News Network.

  The first thing you do when you go to one of Henery's websites like the Florida Political Press go to the top of it and go over to "About us".  You will see that it the brain storm of two Tea Party activist.

  When I see something like a Teabagger Rag information website, I go to the top of my computer screen and click the red X.  There is nothing for a intelligent person to read.  It's all bullshit.  :thumbsup:

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on June 12, 2011, 02:56:41 PM
  The Florida Political Press, it you want the truth and with no biases, you go to The Florida Political Press and The Fox New News Network.

  The first thing you do when you go to one of Henery's websites like the Florida Political Press go to the top of it and go over to "About us".  You will see that it the brain storm of two Tea Party activist.

  When I see something like a Teabagger Rag information website, I go to the top of my computer screen and click the red X.  There is nothing for a intelligent person to read.  It's all bullshit.  :thumbsup:

and you go to the liberal press....MSNBC and Huff post....

I never claimed it was gospil, nor am I disputing what they had to say....I makes very good sense.  Also, I was wondering EX's opinion on it....

and finally, at least "I" provide a source to base "MY" opinion....I just don't listen to what Chris Matthews and his flunkies have to say, then "parrot" it...

bottom line Mr. Troll........You REALLY need to listen to what ol' henery has to say and take it to heart.....I say, I say, you just MIGHT learn a thing or two from this ol chicken hawk.. :razz: :wink: ;D
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 12, 2011, 07:52:46 PM
and you go to the liberal press....MSNBC and Huff post....

I never claimed it was gospil, nor am I disputing what they had to say....I makes very good sense.  Also, I was wondering EX's opinion on it....

and finally, at least "I" provide a source to base "MY" opinion....I just don't listen to what Chris Matthews and his flunkies have to say, then "parrot" it...

bottom line Mr. Troll........You REALLY need to listen to what ol' henery has to say and take it to heart.....I say, I say, you just MIGHT learn a thing or two from this ol chicken hawk.. :razz: :wink: ;D

  Men and women of the Unknown Zone if you ever think I listening to what Henery is saying and I am taking it to heart, call my wife and have me committed to the nearest Looney Bin.  Damn thinking of something like that makes me sick.  :puke:

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 12, 2011, 07:52:46 PM
and you go to the liberal press....MSNBC and Huff post....

I never claimed it was gospil, nor am I disputing what they had to say....I makes very good sense.  Also, I was wondering EX's opinion on it....

and finally, at least "I" provide a source to base "MY" opinion....I just don't listen to what Chris Matthews and his flunkies have to say, then "parrot" it...

bottom line Mr. Troll........You REALLY need to listen to what ol' henery has to say and take it to heart.....I say, I say, you just MIGHT learn a thing or two from this ol chicken hawk.. :razz: :wink: ;D

  I am not a fan of Chris Matthews, he's getting worse than Phil Donahue.  He won't let a guest finish a statement and he put on his Energizer Bunny drum and beats and beats and beats it until your head hurts.  I do like the Ed Show.

  Guess what Keith Olbermann is coming back this month on the Current Network (satellite)  How this one man I trust and like.  He sure know the asshole Republican's way and rats them out on every nasty thing they do.  If you would listen to him I know it would clear your head a little, not much. :grin2:

  Henery you need to get your head out of the Elephants ass and watch Keith for a while it might clear up your head of all of that Republican elephant shit. :pink:  :pink:  :pink:  :pink:  :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on June 13, 2011, 09:05:39 AM
  Henery you need to get your head out of the Elephants ass and watch Keith for a while it might clear up your head of all of that Republican elephant shit. :pink: :pink: :pink: :pink: :biggrin:

Keith is nothing more than the democrats version of Rush....except Rush is usually right and Olberman is normally wrong...THAT is why Olberman is gone and Rush has been around for about 25 years and STILL on top.... :yes:

just sayin... ;D :razz:    :pink:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Rush is a fat, lying, hypocritical, misogynistic, racist fuck.  The world would be a better place if someone put a bullet in his fat head.  Of course, I mean that in the nicest way.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 13, 2011, 10:38:06 AM
Rush is a fat, lying, hypocritical, misogynistic, racist fuck.  The world would be a better place if someone put a bullet in his fat head.  Of course, I mean that in the nicest way.

and of course I "took" it in the nicest way.... :razz:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Exterminator on June 13, 2011, 10:38:06 AM
Rush is a fat, lying, hypocritical, misogynistic, racist fuck.  The world would be a better place if someone put a bullet in his fat head.  Of course, I mean that in the nicest way.

  I agree with you 110%.  Rush is a fat ass scum bag.  Bankrupt 3 times and his mind is shot up with Oxycontin.  :rolleyes: :razz: And he don't hear too well because of it.  Hee, hee, hee I say he's one big fat ass druggie.   :yes: :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on June 13, 2011, 12:48:01 PM
  I agree with you 110%.  Rush is a fat ass scum bag.  Bankrupt 3 times and his mind is shot up with Oxycontin.  :rolleyes: :razz: And he don't hear too well because of it.  Hee, hee, hee I say he's one big fat ass druggie.   :yes: :biggrin:

and I think it is just sour grapes...............I see it as you, Troll are extemely jealous of the noteriety of Rush and his powerful influence he has on this country...so, you fall into the line with the rest of the "sheeple" who does not like what he stands for and merely try at your best to demean him...

I rarely listen to him, but when I have listened to him, he is entertaining and very interesting.  When he makes a claim, he is usually correct.  He has stood the test of time....if there was anything REAL bad with him, he would have gone away, years ago.....instead, he gets more and more popular and his show continues to grow.....he is second to noone in the political commentary world.....he is "on loan from God"....and it cracks me up when folks like yourself.......try to slam him.....it really is funny.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 13, 2011, 12:54:20 PM
...instead, he gets more and more popular and his show continues to grow...

Because stupid people breed more than smart people.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 13, 2011, 01:01:01 PM
Because stupid people breed more than smart people.

So that is what happened in 2006 and 2008!!??!!!.... :confused: :spooked: ........ahhhh, now it all makes sense... :yes: :razz:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Keep telling yourself that.  Case in point, you have 5 kids, I have none.   :razz:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.