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Started by Exterminator, March 23, 2011, 01:07:26 PM

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#15
March 24, 2011, 04:37:40 PM
Documentaries are slanted toward what ever the person who is making them wants you to believe.  For instance I watched two different documentaries on Abe Lincoln on the History channel and one said he didn't want to go to the theater that night because he had company and wanted to stay home so he wasn't in a good mood and the other said he had been looking forward to going and was in a very relaxed mood that evening.  They were aired about two weeks apart and were done by different people.  Documentaries are not always truthful or they leave certain facts out which may slant things one way or the other. 
Quote from: Exterminator on March 24, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
Are you going to name the economies Soros collapsed?

Not sure what you mean by 'tied to'...aquainted with?  Attended the same cocktail party as?  Read about in the newspaper?  It would appear that the major funding for the film came from Jeffrey and Christina Lurie's foundation, Screen Pass Pictures.  I'm not sure if they personally know Soros or not or if he made any monetary contribution to it but my question to you is who cares?  Are you trying to imply that the documentary is not factually correct?  Who are you defending by doing so?

Did or did not the financial industry embark on a course of deregulation since the early 80's?

Did or did not that deregulation allow the situation in which these credit derivatives were able to be marketed?

Did or did not the ratings agencies (S&P, Moody's, etc.) rate these CDO's AAA even though many of them were primarily based on sub-prime mortgages, thus allowing the investment in those securities, and I use the term loosely, by retirement funds and the like?

Did or did not the mortgage industry, knowing that they would not be ultimately responsible for the default on those loans, fail to follow generally accepted lending practices and engage in predatory lending practices?

Did or did not the major brokerages encourage their agents to sell those securities, offering huge bonuses for doing so even while their internal communications indicated that they knew they were junk.

Did or did not those same brokerages, in fact, buy credit default swaps from AIG to protect themselves against the probable failure of those securities when the loans defaulted?

Did or did not AIG sell credit default swaps not only to those with a vested interest in them but to anyone wanting to gamble on them as well?

Did or did not AIG disburse virtually all of the money gained by the sales of credit default swaps as bonuses for selling them while keeping virtually no money in reserve to pay off those insurance policies?

Did or did not millions lose their livelihoods, homes and retirements savings as a result of the default of these derivatives?

Did or did not the people in the financial industry personally pocket billions of dollars in wealth that they got to keep?

Did or did not the U.S. taxpayers have to bail out the companies who paid out all of that money to prevent a complete collapse of the world economy?

Did or did not anyone go to jail?

It seems pretty straightforward, me; even you should be able to understand it so what is it, exactly, you're protesting by attempting to discredit this documentary?
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Exterminator

#16
March 24, 2011, 04:48:24 PM
Can you quit with your spin already and answer the fucking questions?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll

#17
March 24, 2011, 04:54:04 PM
  Just like you ME.  Not truthful and leave out a whole lot of details.  You wouldn't know the truth about Teaparty Republicans if you were god-smacked.   :yes: :biggrin:

Nighthawk

#18
March 24, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 24, 2011, 04:54:04 PM
  Just like you ME.  Not truthful and leave out a whole lot of details.  You wouldn't know the truth about Teaparty Republicans if you were god-smacked.   :yes: :biggrin:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Exterminator

#19
March 24, 2011, 05:05:58 PM
This isn't about Republicans and Democrats; I pointed out in my initial post that both parties have been and continue to be complicit in this debacle.  This has to do with big money buying and controlling our government.

This is exactly why I don't post here very often any more; I mean really, what's the point?  I simply recommended a documentary that really doesn't offer any information that hasn't already been in the news; it simply goes into a little more depth and discusses the relationships between the events.  I think everyone should see it and it should make everyone damn mad.  Instead, I get someone who apparently wants to pretend that nothing happened...what a waste of my time...
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

#20
March 24, 2011, 07:28:22 PM
While I cannot imagine being any more pissed off about this than I already am, I am none-the-less very glad you posted about this. It is now on my "to view"  list. . . But I may have to delay viewing until I have had my annual physical. . .  :yes: :yes: :yes: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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me

#21
March 24, 2011, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 24, 2011, 04:48:24 PM
Can you quit with your spin already and answer the fucking questions?
I'm just sayin' documentaries aren't the be all and end all when it comes to learning about something.  Someone could come out with a documentary disproving everything this one says tomorrow and you wouldn't put any stock in it because it isn't what you want to believe but it would still be a documentary just like this one and some people would take it as gospel just as you do this one. 

Some documentaries are interesting, yes, but they are nothing more than the opinion of the person who puts it together and they will seek out information or slant it to convey their point of view on what ever it is they are doing the documentary about.
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Nighthawk

#22
March 25, 2011, 06:11:33 AM
Quote from: me on March 24, 2011, 08:59:26 PM
I'm just sayin' documentaries aren't the be all and end all when it comes to learning about something.  Someone could come out with a documentary disproving everything this one says tomorrow and you wouldn't put any stock in it because it isn't what you want to believe but it would still be a documentary just like this one and some people would take it as gospel just as you do this one. 

Some documentaries are interesting, yes, but they are nothing more than the opinion of the person who puts it together and they will seek out information or slant it to convey their point of view on what ever it is they are doing the documentary about.

Exactly!! Look how many 'documentaries' there are surrounding the 9/11 truther movement. All have been debunked but people still swear to them as gospel.

The same is true with the Moon landing hoax, Chemtrails or any other hoax and no matter what any one says or produces will not sway people who really want to believe the hoax.

Sandy Eggo

#23
March 25, 2011, 06:28:27 AM
IMO part of "learning something" is to take the thing presented a step further and researching the facts yourself. You're kind of dead in the water knowledge-wise if you won't even watch it to begin with to verify the facts or debunk the twists.

Even if another documentary came out claiming to debunk this one, how could you intellegently decide which one is more accurate without doing that?
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

The Troll

#24
March 25, 2011, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: Nighthawk on March 25, 2011, 06:11:33 AM
Exactly!! Look how many 'documentaries' there are surrounding the 9/11 truther movement. All have been debunked but people still swear to them as gospel.

The same is true with the Moon landing hoax, Chemtrails or any other hoax and no matter what any one says or produces will not sway people who really want to believe the hoax.

Considering all of the things you believe in.  By chance are you a birther.  If you are, Why?   :wink: :smile:  Just checking.  :biggrin:
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