Obama: Drill, Brazil, Drill!

[Palehorse]

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Libya: He is about as bad as Saddam was but supposedly we are not there to oust him. Just 'protect civilians'

Please show me were I said what we are doing in Libya is wrong.

The bolded quote implies non-support of the subject; which is an indication of disagreement, or IOW "wrong".

Now, what, about the current ROE in Afghanistan, are you basing that opinion upon?

[Nighthawk]

Sorry I was probably a bit vague on that but while I don't like war in any form I can see the need for intervention in Libya.

ROE in Afghanistan are very restrictive. They were supposed to be disigned to reduce civilian casualties. These rules are too restrictive though and severely cripple our soldier's efforts. They can't get air support or artillary cover when needed for the fear of hurting civilians. They sometimes can't even get smoke rounds or illumination rounds because someone is afraid that the canister might hit someone.

[Nighthawk]

As for Iraq, he killed thousands and thousands of his own people. Used chemical weapons on his own people and harbored terrorists. not to mention his unprovoked attacks on us too.

If you don't think he had WMD's then you are just fooling yourself. He had months of warning before the invasion and had ample time to move and hide any he had. Did you forget the shells that were found with traces of serin gas in them or the Russian fighters found buried in the desert?

[The Troll]

As for Iraq, he killed thousands and thousands of his own people. Used chemical weapons on his own people and harbored terrorists. not to mention his unprovoked attacks on us too.

If you don't think he had WMD's then you are just fooling yourself. He had months of warning before the invasion and had ample time to move and hide any he had. Did you forget the shells that were found with traces of serin gas in them or the Russian fighters found buried in the desert?

  Well Squawk, he did not attack us.  Nothing was proved that he made any attempts of terrorism on us.  And he did have poison gas, we sold it to him.  But when they searched for weapons of mass destruction, They could not find any, anywhere in Iraq.  They looked every where and no weapons of mass destruction.

  I followed the Iraq war very close and I remember the Russian built fighters that the Iraqis buried,  no where did I see or read anywhere that they found poison gas.  Remember the hydrogen generators they found and tried to pass off as chemical gas generators.  The whole war was a lie.  From the start to give your George W a reason to go to war.  Are you happy about that?

[Nighthawk]

  Well Squawk, he did not attack us.  Nothing was proved that he made any attempts of terrorism on us.  And he did have poison gas, we sold it to him.  But when they searched for weapons of mass destruction, They could not find any, anywhere in Iraq.  They looked every where and no weapons of mass destruction.

  I followed the Iraq war very close and I remember the Russian built fighters that the Iraqis buried,  no where did I see or read anywhere that they found poison gas.  Remember the hydrogen generators they found and tried to pass off as chemical gas generators.  The whole war was a lie.  From the start to give your George W a reason to go to war.  Are you happy about that?

Qaddafi hasn't attacked us either but yet, there we are.

Of course the WMD's weren't there. After months of warning they were all moved out of the country.

[The Troll]

Qaddafi hasn't attacked us either but yet, there we are.

Of course the WMD's weren't there. After months of warning they were all moved out of the country.

  Quaddafi hands are covered with our blood.  He was up to his turban in terrorism.  George H. Bush almost killed him and his family.  But Old George H missed.    What about the blowing up our American PAN-AM 747 airliner with all the people killed.  But I surmise that he's your kind of a guy.   

  So?  Sadam didn't have weapons of mass destruction.  That means he listen to the United Nations to remove them, how he did no one knows.  The people under him said they destroyed them.  That was good.  Do you know what happened to them and prove it from some reliable source.   Again you're talking out of your toothless tooter.

[Nighthawk]

  Quaddafi hands are covered with our blood.  He was up to his turban in terrorism.  George H. Bush almost killed him and his family.  But Old George H missed.    What about the blowing up our American PAN-AM 747 airliner with all the people killed.  But I surmise that he's your kind of a guy.   

  So?  Sadam didn't have weapons of mass destruction.  That means he listen to the United Nations to remove them, how he did no one knows.  The people under him said they destroyed them.  That was good.  Do you know what happened to them and prove it from some reliable source.   Again you're talking out of your toothless tooter.

So was Saddam's. He also sponsored terrorism and also invaded an ally nation thus the reason for the first Iraq war. His air force also attacked a US Navy ship in 1987 killing 37 sailors. Or do you not remember the USS Stark?

No, I don't have proof of what Saddam did with his WMDs but given his know possession of them, his willingness to use them and his thumbing his nose at the UN resolutions and weapons inspectors leads me to believe that he was in possession of them and got rid of/destroyed/hid them before the invasion.

[The Troll]

So was Saddam's. He also sponsored terrorism and also invaded an ally nation thus the reason for the first Iraq war. His air force also attacked a US Navy ship in 1987 killing 37 sailors. Or do you not remember the USS Stark?

No, I don't have proof of what Saddam did with his WMDs but given his know possession of them, his willingness to use them and his thumbing his nose at the UN resolutions and weapons inspectors leads me to believe that he was in possession of them and got rid of/destroyed/hid them before the invasion.

  If you will check a little more, you find that the United States forgave Saddam for the attack on the USS Stark.  The Iraq military mistakenly took the USS Stark for an Iranian ship.

  We will have to keep this up so I can teach you a little about the Iraq war.  The war brought on by the most stupid president in United States histroy.  George W. Bush.    George W. Bush was stupid. 

  After the war even Saddam admitted he didn't have any WMDs.  He had destroyed them secretly.  He said he wanted his neighbors Iran and other to think he did have the weapons.  He didn't want them to jump on him.

  Check a little more and you will find that the United States gave Saddam a whole lot of different kinds of WMDs while fighting Iran.   

  If you noticed, I have been nice to you.  Because a whole lot of people have been mislead by the administration that got us into the mess.

[Nighthawk]

  If you will check a little more, you find that the United States forgave Saddam for the attack on the USS Stark.  The Iraq military mistakenly took the USS Stark for an Iranian ship.

  We will have to keep this up so I can teach you a little about the Iraq war.  The war brought on by the most stupid president in United States histroy.  George W. Bush.    George W. Bush was stupid. 

  After the war even Saddam admitted he didn't have any WMDs.  He had destroyed them secretly.  He said he wanted his neighbors Iran and other to think he did have the weapons.  He didn't want them to jump on him.

  Check a little more and you will find that the United States gave Saddam a whole lot of different kinds of WMDs while fighting Iran.   

  If you noticed, I have been nice to you.  Because a whole lot of people have been mislead by the administration that got us into the mess.

And the 'news stories' you will find about the USS Stark are very misleading also. You see, I served with 36 of the 37 killed. I transfered off the Stark the day before it went on that deployment. There is no way that the pilot mistook a 445 foot long ship that was warning it off for a 1000ft+ long tanker. When this happened the lesser of two evils in the United States eyes was Saddam so to keep the peace 'we' forgave him so to speak.

And I guess you are right. Saddam was such a noble, upstanding guy that he would never have lied to us about what weapons he did or didn't have and what their disposition was.    Kinda makes me wonder why he wouldn't let the inspectors in to do their jobs and mandated by the UN. If he had nothing to hide then why not let them in??

[The Troll]

And the 'news stories' you will find about the USS Stark are very misleading also. You see, I served with 36 of the 37 killed. I transfered off the Stark the day before it went on that deployment. There is no way that the pilot mistook a 445 foot long ship that was warning it off for a 1000ft+ long tanker. When this happened the lesser of two evils in the United States eyes was Saddam so to keep the peace 'we' forgave him so to speak.

And I guess you are right. Saddam was such a noble, upstanding guy that he would never have lied to us about what weapons he did or didn't have and what their disposition was.    Kinda makes me wonder why he wouldn't let the inspectors in to do their jobs and mandated by the UN. If he had nothing to hide then why not let them in??

  I thought you said in one of you past post that you hadn't served in the military.

   None the less you are so wrong on so many things.  No where did I say Saddam as nothing but a killer.  But where do you get that is was alright to go to war with Iraq.  Why don't we go after Jim Jong-il.  He a killer, he's a dictator, he has poison gas and atomic weapons and rockets.  His father as killed thousand of American soldiers and I think he would like to do it a again against South Korea.

  The more I argue with you, the more incoherent you get. 

[Y]

It defies logic.... ...

Sooooo, Hank, are you saying you (would) have a problem of using up everyone else's oil resources and saving ours for last?

[Y]

So you want to send 2 BILLION plus dollars to Brazil so we can pay more money to import their oil. Why not spend it here developing our own power sources?

I'll pose the same question to you I did to Hank (see above).

What power sources beside oil would you be referring to, or are you?

[Y]

...I thought HE was going to make us energy independent.....He was going to balance our budget...

Quote on both, please.   

[Y]

...HELL, NOW HE HAS GOT US INVOLVED WITH LIBYA, WITHOUTH CONGRESS APPROVAL...

Ahem!  IINM, the U.N. is involved in Libya.  The U.S. is part of the U.N. and provides military forces for U.N. as do several other countries.

If you are positing that the U.S. can't legally provide those military forces to the U.N., I might agree with you after some research and debate.

[Nighthawk]

  I thought you said in one of you past post that you hadn't served in the military.

   None the less you are so wrong on so many things.  No where did I say Saddam as nothing but a killer.  But where do you get that is was alright to go to war with Iraq.  Why don't we go after Jim Jong-il.  He a killer, he's a dictator, he has poison gas and atomic weapons and rockets.  His father as killed thousand of American soldiers and I think he would like to do it a again against South Korea.

  The more I argue with you, the more incoherent you get. 

the point about Saddam is that you seem to be for this little invasion of Libya yet against the war on Iraq. Both of these actions were started on basically the same reasons. genocidal dictators who need to be stopped/taken out. In fact, I think we had even more reason to go after Saddam than we do Qaddafi.

You can't have it both ways.

As for North Korea I agree, this another nut case that needs a Tomahawk enema but that isn't my call.

Iran is another one that needs taken out and is even more dangerous than N. Korea.