Public Unions & Collective Bargaining Thread....right or wrong?

[The Troll]

18 Republican senators from Wisconsin report getting death threats after passing bill to end collective bargaining for most public workers

  When you are killing someones job and lively hood.  I wonder why a threat would be issued. 

[Henry Hawk]

   That's a nice piece of propaganda.  A nice  piece of Republican and anti-union propaganda.  Hitler's Goble, minster of German propaganda in world war two would be proud of this piece of crap.

  Who did this fine piece, with all of the figures and the percentages.  Like I have always said.  Figures lie and liars figure.  Shove it Henry and you know where and I do love unions.

the truth of it all kind of hurts a little don't trolly...

[Henry Hawk]

Not surprising. Even the peasants wanted to kill the king/queen when their policies and taxation rates became draconian.

When you start kicking a stump you are going to dig up a lot more than rotting wood, but also the skunks that live beneath it.

but Sarah Palin having a bulleye on a political map is just a travesty...put actual death threats by democrats are okay? ....I get it.

[Henry Hawk]

Not surprising. Even the peasants wanted to kill the king/queen when their policies and taxation rates became draconian.

When you start kicking a stump you are going to dig up a lot more than rotting wood, but also the skunks that live beneath it.

being a little dramatic aren't you?............some teachers are going to have to pay SOME of their HC and pensions now....WOW! let's kill some people.

[Palehorse]

but Sarah Palin having a bulleye on a political map is just a travesty...put actual death threats by democrats are okay? ....I get it.

being a little dramatic aren't you?............some teachers are going to have to pay SOME of their HC and pensions now....WOW! let's kill some people.

Actually, both incidents are very similar; both resulting from the arrogance and ignorant actions of irresponsible and draconian individuals and their actions. (Who by sheer coincidence happen to be republican! Imagine that!)

Both incidents have resulted in inciting irresponsible and emotional responses from those targeted.

And again, you ascribe meaning(s) to a statement(s) that was (were) not inferred. I never said I thought it was right or wrong. I just said what the hell would anyone expect when things like this are taking place?

The death threats you quoted are yet another example as to how NOT to conduct ones self in public office and within a professional capacity.

Just how likely do you think it is that the state of Wisconsin is going to go to the republicans next election? They've cut their own throats, and I dare say, dragged some undeserving individuals down into the sewers along with them. (Referring to local elections with that statement specifically) Republicans are going to take a HUGE hit nationwide over this.

You rattle the cage of a sleeping lion and then stick your arm inside, what do you think is going to happen?

[Henry Hawk]

Just how likely do you think it is that the state of Wisconsin is going to go to the republicans next election? They've cut their own throats, and I dare say, dragged some undeserving individuals down into the sewers along with them. (Referring to local elections with that statement specifically) Republicans are going to take a HUGE hit nationwide over this.

I say there will be even MORE republican elected......when it's economy gets restored, it's educational system is restored...the very folks the voted for Walker will be voting him again....plus some.

we will see....in a year or two

with all of that said, have a great weekend.

[Palehorse]

I say there will be even MORE republican elected......when it's economy gets restored, it's educational system is restored...the very folks the voted for Walker will be voting him again....plus some.

we will see....in a year or two

with all of that said, have a great weekend.

Wow. . . I'm speechless. . .

[The Troll]

I say there will be even MORE republican elected......when it's economy gets restored, it's educational system is restored...the very folks the voted for Walker will be voting him again....plus some.

we will see....in a year or two

with all of that said, have a great weekend.

  Tell me Fhawk, what did your Republicans do during the EIGHT ( years of George W. Bush.  They broke America.  That's what they did.  Your memory of George W. is sure short. 

[Nighthawk]

  Tell me Fhawk, what did your Republicans do during the EIGHT ( years of George W. Bush.  They broke America.  That's what they did.  Your memory of George W. is sure short. 

First 2 years of his presidency Dems controlled the Senate. Last two years they controlled both the house and the senate. But it's all Bush's and the Repubs. fault??

[Sandy Eggo]

First 2 years of his presidency Dems controlled the Senate. Last two years they controlled both the house and the senate. But it's all Bush's and the Repubs. fault??

I don't think "controlled" is the correct term. Interestingly enough, there's a world of difference between "controlled" and "majority". Even more interesting is the way Bush saved his power to veto until the Dems were in majority.

[Henry Hawk]

Wow. . . I'm speechless. . .

obviously...   but, I'm sure you will muster up something.....

If you are speechless now, wait until the next election...

[Nighthawk]

In reality, unions should have never been allowed into the public sector. Or at the very least collective bargaining should have never been allowed.  It is impossible for the public sector unions to be able to fairly bargain with public sector employers because the employers are us, the taxpayers.

Before anyone says that our elected officials represent the taxpayer at the bargaining table think of this. The Republicans don't want unions because they contribute to Democrat campaigns. The democrats want the unions for this very reason. If the unions are dealing with republicans they won't get near what they want and if they deal with democrats they get more than they want. Neither of these instances are good for the employer (taxpayer).

So, is it possible for an elected official of any party to fairly represent and bargain for the taxpayer? I don't think so.

[Henry Hawk]

Nighthawk, your voice of understanding and logic is so welcome here, I cannot begin to tell you how much you are appreciated.

You have asked a wonderful question that all on here need to ask themselves....honestly.

Thanks NH....

[Palehorse]

Circular logic. . . Wow. . .

I will admit one thing though; it is going to be amusing to see how you folks spin this when the private sector demands the very same "concessions" and get it. And don't think they won't.

They've got 99% of government on their payroll, and the SCOTUS as well. . .

[Nighthawk]

Nighthawk, your voice of understanding and logic is so welcome here, I cannot begin to tell you how much you are appreciated.

You have asked a wonderful question that all on here need to ask themselves....honestly.

Thanks NH....

Thanks