Illinois Governor Bans Death Penalty

[Palehorse]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/09/illinois-governor-signs-death-penalty-ban/?hpt=T2

Should've been done long ago! 

Given the plethora of cases that have resulted in the incarceration and in some cases, the murder of innocent men and women at the hands of the state, due to manufactured evidence and withheld evidence!

[Henry Hawk]

I still say that there ARE cases, that are 100% guilty of murder or rape....beyond a shadow of doubt, that terminating such individuals is cheaper and better for society.

With that said, I know there has/are innocent folks that has been murdered due to circimstances....for that I would rather side to this law....there should be a clause for those who are 100% guilty.

[Palehorse]

I still say that there ARE cases, that are 100% guilty of murder or rape....beyond a shadow of doubt, that terminating such individuals is cheaper and better for society.

With that said, I know there has/are innocent folks that has been murdered due to circimstances....for that I would rather side to this law....there should be a clause for those who are 100% guilty.

The problem is that those who were subjected to the ultimate punishment were at the time judged to have been 100% guilty. And yet, they end up being innocent in the end, and dead none-the-less. How do you tell the difference when a case is presented as factual, with supporting evidence, and judged on this? How can you tell if evidence has been withheld? You can't!

I'd rather 10,000,000 guilty individuals live their lives in confinement, than 1 innocent individual be murdered for something they did not do or have a hand in. And until our legal system identifies and implements a means for eliminating manufactured evidence, lying, and railroading, I cannot in good faith endorse any form of capital punishment.

I predict this is just the first in what is going to prove to be a long string of states following suit.

[Henry Hawk]

How do you tell the difference when a case is presented as factual, with supporting evidence, and judged on this? How can you tell if evidence has been withheld? You can't!

One that comes to mind right off the bat is the Fort Hood mass murderer, he killed 13 and wounded 29 others....had several witnesses.....what is there to dispute?.....c'mon Palehorse, this scum KILLED......this is a fact.  WHY shouldn't he be put to death?  Why allow him to take hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars to let him die in prison?   

[The Troll]

One that comes to mind right off the bat is the Fort Hood mass murderer, he killed 13 and wounded 29 others....had several witnesses.....what is there to dispute?.....c'mon Palehorse, this scum KILLED......this is a fact.  WHY shouldn't he be put to death?  Why allow him to take hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars to let him die in prison?

  Hawk I do think killers should be put to death.  But it has to be proven and every piece of evidence shown.  There where 17 men removed from death row and released from prison in Illinois because of DNA evidence.  17 innocent men convicted by a so called jury of their peers.

  After 17 men released from Illinois prison death row by DNA.  Don't you think there could be something wrong with Illinois justice.  I wonder how many innocent men were put to death in Illinois.  I think it about time they did something right.

[Palehorse]

One that comes to mind right off the bat is the Fort Hood mass murderer, he killed 13 and wounded 29 others....had several witnesses.....what is there to dispute?.....c'mon Palehorse, this scum KILLED......this is a fact.  WHY shouldn't he be put to death?  Why allow him to take hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars to let him die in prison?

And suppose, hypothetically, that this man was utilized as a guinea pig for some chemical or substance the government or military is investigating, and it comes out in 15-20 years with a conclusion that it makes individuals lose their ever loving minds?

We do not know anything about it; all we know is the guy went off the deep end and killed / maimed a bunch of innocent people. How would you feel if you sat on this guy's jury, condemned him to death, and then years later find out it wasn't his fault???

The point is, you cannot pick and choose which cases are death penalty cases based upon the supposed actions of the perp. If we did that then according to EVERY single victim's family the perp should be put to death and any sentence short of it is a travesty. "We" don't always know everything we need to know, or should know, in order to fairly and consistently sit in judgment of another's life; simply because of humanity's proclivity for "stretching" the truth, or purposely hiding it, in order to prove their respective case. On both sides of an issue. When you sit on a jury you hear only what both sides want you to hear, or what the sitting judge will allow, and because of this there are numerous death penalty cases heard nationwide each and every year in which the accused is convicted based upon a lie that was packaged and sold as the truth by the prosecution.

THAT is the reason for the appeals death row inmates are allowed, because it is simply an acknowledgment of the serious flaws within the system! Heads of state across this country are increasingly seeing firsthand just how bad it is within their respective states, and instead of exercising their power to stay executions or pardon those convicted, and risk the wrath of a voting public who only knows what the jury sitting in the case knew, (and in a lot of cases not even that much), they see the only prudent action to undertake is to abolish the death penalty and lateral the problem back to the courts that created the issues in the first place. And while it seems to be cowardly on behalf of the heads of state who take this course of action, in the end it accomplishes what should have been done by the courts long ago!

[The Troll]

  It's just like the difference between a plumber and a doctor?  A plumber has to dig up his mistake.  It just like the death penalty.  Kill them, bury them, case over, case closed.