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Texas lawmakers approve bills requiring ultrasound before abortion

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Palehorse

March 08, 2011, 07:53:14 AM
Quote(CNN) -- Abortion rights advocates plan to rally in Texas Tuesday after state lawmakers approved controversial legislaton that requires mothers seeking an abortion to undergo an ultrasound examination and listen to a description of what it shows. . .

In its "infinite wisdom" government is now going to inflict severe psychological harm upon women that are pregnant with an unwanted child? WTF?! Don't they realize that the decision is ALREADY a very emotionally trying one, no matter what the reasoning may be for the woman to reach the decision to abort?

IMHO this is just WRONG, and amounts to cruel and unusual punishment,inflicted over NO CRIME!  :mad: :mad: :mad:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/08/texas.sonogram/index.html?hpt=T2
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Anne

#1
March 08, 2011, 10:51:58 AM
I don't think it is the law, but the women I have talked to who have had abortions all had ultrasounds and the person doing them explained what was on it. this was part of the pre procedure counseling. All of the women I have talked to had it done in Indiana and it was a small number (5 or 6) and had the abortion for different reasons. The ultrasound is a very good diagnostic tool to confirm that there is an actual pregnancy and make sure there are no other conditions that would maybe increase the danger to the woman so I don't really have a problem with the ultrasound.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Palehorse

#2
March 08, 2011, 11:03:58 AM
Quote from: Anne on March 08, 2011, 10:51:58 AM
I don't think it is the law, but the women I have talked to who have had abortions all had ultrasounds and the person doing them explained what was on it. this was part of the pre procedure counseling. All of the women I have talked to had it done in Indiana and it was a small number (5 or 6) and had the abortion for different reasons. The ultrasound is a very good diagnostic tool to confirm that there is an actual pregnancy and make sure there are no other conditions that would maybe increase the danger to the woman so I don't really have a problem with the ultrasound.

I don't deny the usefulness of ultrasound as a diagnostic tool. That is not the point.

The point is, this is yet another example of government imposing itself into the body and mind of women! It's uncalled for and draconian.

What are they going to do when in 10 years or so it is proven to be the root cause for the sudden rise in instances of mental disorders in women????
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The Troll

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March 08, 2011, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: Anne on March 08, 2011, 10:51:58 AM
I don't think it is the law, but the women I have talked to who have had abortions all had ultrasounds and the person doing them explained what was on it. this was part of the pre procedure counseling. All of the women I have talked to had it done in Indiana and it was a small number (5 or 6) and had the abortion for different reasons. The ultrasound is a very good diagnostic tool to confirm that there is an actual pregnancy and make sure there are no other conditions that would maybe increase the danger to the woman so I don't really have a problem with the ultrasound.

  So  you don't really have a problem with the ultrasound.  Come on Anne, you know what is for.  It is one more hoop a woman has to go through to a legal abortion.

  Just a another way to try and stop abortions.  These crazy nut Christians will never give minding someone else business.

  If they were to try to pass a law where anyone who was against abortion, had to take of  the children and raise, feed, cloth and send through college.  The anti abortionist would run for the hills, carrying their tails behind them.  Pointed tails.  :yes: :biggrin:

Anne

#4
March 08, 2011, 02:41:05 PM
No, Troll, the ultrasound is a good tool to check the position of the fetus, also to make sure this is not an eptioc pregnancy, to see if there are tumors. A simple urine test or even a blood test cannot give the information an ultrasound can. They can and do give false positives and cannot detect possible problems.
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Henry Hawk

#5
March 08, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
The only 2 cents I have on this manner is, that it should be left up to the States to decide, NOT the federal government and that it is without a doubt, in my opinion, a moral choice that should be voted upon by the people in a democratic fashion...but the bottom line is that NO FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS should ever be used regarding this issue.
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Palehorse

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March 08, 2011, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
The only 2 cents I have on this manner is, that it should be left up to the States to decide, NOT the federal government and that it is without a doubt, in my opinion, a moral choice that should be voted upon by the people in a democratic fashion...but the bottom line is that NO FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS should ever be used regarding this issue.

And perhaps when the state government legislates mandatory, twice yearly anal probing for all male citizens you'll endorse that as well?
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Henry Hawk

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March 08, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 08, 2011, 04:36:47 PM
And perhaps when the state government legislates mandatory, twice yearly anal probing for all male citizens you'll endorse that as well?

If the will of the people go through the democratic process and deam this as a must.......then I will pack and move to Canada....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#8
March 08, 2011, 07:37:50 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
If the will of the people go through the democratic process and deam this as a must.......then I will pack and move to Canada....

  Oh, come on Hawk, GIVE ME A BREAK.  The ultrasound is just one more stuid Texas law.  Just look what the Texas board of education did to the school books and the stuff they will teach in the school classes.  :groan:  Raising more dumbass Texan kids.

Palehorse

#9
March 08, 2011, 08:23:33 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
If the will of the people go through the democratic process and deam this as a must.......then I will pack and move to Canada....
:smile: We both jest, but the reality and real danger of issues like this is that we are just a legislative act from just such a thing happening.

If some pseudo medical study determines that manual manipulation of the prostate twice a year reduces the incident of prostate cancer, and convinces a majority of congressional leadership of it, bend over baby!
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Y

#10
March 08, 2011, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
The only 2 cents I have on this manner is, that it should be left up to the States to decide, NOT the federal government and that it is without a doubt, in my opinion, a moral choice that should be voted upon by the people in a democratic fashion...but the bottom line is that NO FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS should ever be used regarding this issue.

1)  Let me refer you to the U. S. Constitution, Amendment XIV (in pertinent part):

Section 1.:...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws....

2)  The United States of America is a nation based on the concept of the Rule of Law and as such, you cannot enshrine any of your personal moral choices in order to strip another citizen of his/her rights under the law.

You and your ilk never get that because y'all refuse to cease ascribing to the logical fallacy 'Appeal to Popularity' and to acknowledge the fact that the good ole' US of A is a 'Representative Republic' based on the 'Rule of Law' and not what's popular.
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In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

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Y

#11
March 08, 2011, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
If the will of the people go through the democratic process and deam this as a must.......then I will pack and move to Canada....

See what I mean.   :rolleyes:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

The Troll

#12
March 09, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
Quote from: Y on March 08, 2011, 10:59:05 PM
See what I mean.   :rolleyes:

Just love the Teabaggers and the Republicans.  In any law they want to make, it is not against the Constitution unless the law gores on of their chosen few.  Do as I say not as I do.  Newt Gringrich is one fine example.  :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

#13
March 09, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
nor shall any State deprive any person of life...

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#14
March 09, 2011, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 09, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
nor shall any State deprive any person of life...


  Same old Creationist unscientific dogma.  :flap: :pray: :preach: :pope: and the holy :ghost:  :trustme:
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