Waiting for Superman

[The Troll]

That should be up to the School Board.

  School boards?   Some of those political hacks can't find their own ass with both hand at the same time.  Give us a break

[The Troll]

Where did I say I was not in favor of Teachers?  I have ZERO problems with our Teachers being paid what they are worth.  We have WAY too many that are being paid great money and NOT teaching.  On the other hand we have great teachers who are not being paid enough.  The teachers Union pays by tenure not by their ablitity to perform. 

If there is going to be bargaining, then it needs to work both ways.  The public sector should be at the mercy of the voters NOT at the mercy of a thug union.  A teacher should have a right to opt out of the Union without fear of losing their jobs.  A teacher should be able to bargain with a School Corperation, based upon his/her ability to teach.

  Well Henry after reading all of your answers, I see that you know nothing about teachers, teaching or unions.  Because you have no experience in any of them.   Your are not even 2ND grade.   

[followsthewolf]

That should be up to the School Board.

With all due respect, Henry, I've been down that road. I could give you a book full of drunken principals with buddies on the school board who would fire teachers if they didn't bend for sexual favors in the principal's office, school board members who would fire teachers who caught the board members' children cheating on tests and disciplined them for it, etc.

In short, there is NOTHING that can curb administrative excesses if they wish to do so, except a master contract, which is obtained by collective bargaining with the teachers' union.

Like the rise of other unions, the teachers' unions rose because of supervisory cruelty and inherent unfairness. They are the result of years of treating teachers like the children they teach.

I spent a lot of years seeing this happen, and that was only one school district.

Imagine your daughter's (or your son's, for that matter) career depending upon her providing sexual favors for a principal and having no way to stop it. Or, if he or she is so strong that he or she is able to resist the advances, being assigned 10 or 15 more students in the classroom (usually the "problem" students), and then having employment being dependent upon bringing their grade levels up two or three grades in the remaining 4 months of the school year.

Want me to go on?

School boards, in my experience, are very rarely made up of people who have any idea of good educational practices. They usually have an ax to grind, or they believe they can cut the school budget without any effect on the students.

Many teachers I know spent several hundreds of dollars each year providing everything from educational materials to sneakers for the students in their class who could not afford them.

If teachers do not do their jobs, there are methods to eliminate them; however, in my experience they do not because the principal and superintendent do not have the guts, knowledge, or energy to take care of the problem. Realistically, the local teachers' union usually ended up convincing the teacher it was time to move on into another career choice.

[Henry Hawk]

  What do you mean 2ND grade rant.  Just where in hell did the article you posted get all of it's facts and figures, out of his ass.  Bill Gates has to hire foreign employees to get smart people to for for him.  Bull shit!  He hires foreign employees some he can get fairly smart people to work for practically nothing.  Also figure like only 1 teacher fired out of 2500, just where did he get these.  But that's one thing about the internet, a person can say anything about anything and make up figures to prove a false point.  Pal, you got one, all bull shit.

  The whole damn article was anti-union.  I read the stinking thing twice.  Just who in hell is James A. Watkins.  Talk about second grade information, Henry.  Give us a break.   

I never stated it to be the gospil, I stated it was an opinion piece.  I have a lot of personal confidence in the writer.  Many of the facts are from a documentary that has been released. 

I don't think it is a big secret that we have a real problem with our educational system...it does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

[Henry Hawk]

  Well Henry after reading all of your answers, I see that you know nothing about teachers, teaching or unions.  Because you have no experience in any of them.   Your are not even 2ND grade. 

How do I even begin to debate this mentality?....

[Henry Hawk]

With all due respect, Henry, I've been down that road. I could give you a book full of drunken principals with buddies on the school board who would fire teachers if they didn't bend for sexual favors in the principal's office, school board members who would fire teachers who caught the board members' children cheating on tests and disciplined them for it, etc.

And I could give you a book of excellent principals and board members who would NOT put up with such behavior....

In short, there is NOTHING that can curb administrative excesses if they wish to do so, except a master contract, which is obtained by collective bargaining with the teachers' union.

With all due respect, I think that is BS.  With that said, I am not particulary saying that the Union should go away, I say it needs overhauled.  Why not set it up like the electrical union?  If a teacher is not cutting the mustard, then send them back to the hall and get another one off of the books.  I'm open to ideas, but the NEA as it is...SUCKS.

I spent a lot of years seeing this happen, and that was only one school district.

I have been part of a great school district in Madison County, the ones my kids have attended.  So, there is corruption that hits everywhere, but like you stated earlier, what ever happened to the parents responsiblity?

Imagine your daughter's (or your son's, for that matter) career depending upon her providing sexual favors for a principal and having no way to stop it. Or, if he or she is so strong that he or she is able to resist the advances, being assigned 10 or 15 more students in the classroom (usually the "problem" students), and then having employment being dependent upon bringing their grade levels up two or three grades in the remaining 4 months of the school year.

That can happen to anybody's job....and you would handle it like you are supposed to do....file a law suit and fight it.

[Bo D]

That should be up to the School Board.

That reminds me of a famous quote ....

God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board.
Mark Twain

[Bo D]

How do I even begin to debate this mentality?....

You don't.

[followsthewolf]

That reminds me of a famous quote ....

God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board.
Mark Twain

Absolutely.

[followsthewolf]

And if the union exists, Henry, those excesses are far less likely to occur.

The union backing gives teachers a way to hire a lawyer to fight.

And, usually, those who rant about the power of a teachers' union are simply jealous that there is no group for them to join, so they decry those who have decided to band together to help each other.

[The Troll]

With all due respect, Henry, I've been down that road. I could give you a book full of drunken principals with buddies on the school board who would fire teachers if they didn't bend for sexual favors in the principal's office, school board members who would fire teachers who caught the board members' children cheating on tests and disciplined them for it, etc.

In short, there is NOTHING that can curb administrative excesses if they wish to do so, except a master contract, which is obtained by collective bargaining with the teachers' union.

Like the rise of other unions, the teachers' unions rose because of supervisory cruelty and inherent unfairness. They are the result of years of treating teachers like the children they teach.

I spent a lot of years seeing this happen, and that was only one school district.

Imagine your daughter's (or your son's, for that matter) career depending upon her providing sexual favors for a principal and having no way to stop it. Or, if he or she is so strong that he or she is able to resist the advances, being assigned 10 or 15 more students in the classroom (usually the "problem" students), and then having employment being dependent upon bringing their grade levels up two or three grades in the remaining 4 months of the school year.

Want me to go on?

School boards, in my experience, are very rarely made up of people who have any idea of good educational practices. They usually have an ax to grind, or they believe they can cut the school budget without any effect on the students.

Many teachers I know spent several hundreds of dollars each year providing everything from educational materials to sneakers for the students in their class who could not afford them.

If teachers do not do their jobs, there are methods to eliminate them; however, in my experience they do not because the principal and superintendent do not have the guts, knowledge, or energy to take care of the problem. Realistically, the local teachers' union usually ended up convincing the teacher it was time to move on into another career choice.

  Good piece of information.  Plain simple and straight to the heart true.  Even Henry should be able to understand it.  :thumbsup.  I really liked. 

[The Troll]

How do I even begin to debate this mentality?....

  Because you can't.  You are a member of the 33% of the wacko religious, scabby, right-wing nuts in this country.  What's why.  There is really nothing more to say about you Henry.      Cause where you work all you get when you retire is a T-shirt and a crummy 401K. 

[Henry Hawk]

  Because you can't.  You are a member of the 33% of the wacko religious, scabby, right-wing nuts in this country.  What's why.  There is really nothing more to say about you Henry.    Cause where you work all you get when you retire is a T-shirt and a crummy 401K. 

Do you just talk for the fun of it?....................where did you come up with the "33%"?.....What do you know about MY work place and MY retirement?......you are wrong on both counts by the way.

Just food for thought, I am a member of the party that...WON....the election by the majority of the population.....just so you know.

[The Troll]

Do you just talk for the fun of it?....................where did you come up with the "33%"?.....What do you know about MY work place and MY retirement?......you are wrong on both counts by the way.

Just food for thought, I am a member of the party that...WON....the election by the majority of the population.....just so you know.

  It's not that you won, it's how you won.  Lies and Lies Teabagger lies.  About your work place, do you have bargaining powers, and the same benefits that union workers have.  I bet you don't.  Because if you did you wouldn't be so anti-union.

  On the 33%, I can see  you don't watch the polls very close.  You need to watch them.  Just for example, question: are you for teacher to have bargaining power?  33% say No.  Question: is Obama a Christian?  33% say No.  Question: is Obama an American citizen?  33% says NO.  Question: Should American people have single payer health plan.  33% says No.  The the Far Right Christians voters who have drank the Kool-Aid of the Republican Party and Fox News.  That's where the 33% comes from.   Hard core Republican Nuts. 

[Henry Hawk]

  It's not that you won, it's how you won.  Lies and Lies Teabagger lies.  About your work place, do you have bargaining powers, and the same benefits that union workers have.  I bet you don't.  Because if you did you wouldn't be so anti-union.