America Moving Toward Police State?

[Exterminator]

Look out, mama, there's a white boat comin' up the river...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/FMvjfBdeiKw

[Palehorse]

  You over educated assholes really tickle me.  Just brain dead and no common sense.  In other words, Just plain stupid.           

Troll:

You really need to step up to the plate and demonstrate a little humanity and compassion toward those whose singular purpose is to serve and protect us, and their families.

Olias is my friend, and one who lost a biological brother who took on the responsibility to serve and protect. Not every individual who chooses a life in the service of a community or state in a law enforcement role is a jack booted thug. In fact, the majority of them are themselves caring and compassionate people who accept the role and its inherent dangers willingly, only because protecting the lives, rights, and property of others is their passion in life. Sure, there are exceptions but those of us who judge them all by the actions of the one or the few, are ourselves demonstrating our ignorance.

Moreover, it has not been that long ago that Olias and his family lost a brother, son, uncle, father, (i do not know if he had children or a family of his own so I am assuming the latter), who was struck down while serving and protecting the public he loved; and that pain is, I am sure, just as powerful and hurtful as it was on the day it happened.  The fact that he died a public hero does nothing to dull the pain that comes with such a sudden and tragic loss of life. Nonetheless, I remain thankful for his life, his work, his passion and his sacrifice for the career that took his life; for although he may not have worked in my community, his efforts made the lives of those who I love, the people of this country, safer for his being there.

PLease, think before you continue to tap dance across the wounds of the family of a fallen hero. . .

[followsthewolf]

Fascinating.

Troll is actually the smug, unctuous, snobbish jerk that he accuses others of being, especially the "over educated" ones.

Has a serious envy problem, and is too dense to see his own problems.

His evaluation, gained from small samples of his "life experience" is the only test of the truth of a given statement or situation. Typical.

No compassion, just happy with eating well and playing with his toys. Emotionally two years old; three, max.

[Bo D]

Troll:

You really need to step up to the plate and demonstrate a little humanity and compassion toward those whose singular purpose is to serve and protect us, and their families.

Olias is my friend, and one who lost a biological brother who took on the responsibility to serve and protect. Not every individual who chooses a life in the service of a community or state in a law enforcement role is a jack booted thug. In fact, the majority of them are themselves caring and compassionate people who accept the role and its inherent dangers willingly, only because protecting the lives, rights, and property of others is their passion in life. Sure, there are exceptions but those of us who judge them all by the actions of the one or the few, are ourselves demonstrating our ignorance.

Moreover, it has not been that long ago that Olias and his family lost a brother, son, uncle, father, (i do not know if he had children or a family of his own so I am assuming the latter), who was struck down while serving and protecting the public he loved; and that pain is, I am sure, just as powerful and hurtful as it was on the day it happened.  The fact that he died a public hero does nothing to dull the pain that comes with such a sudden and tragic loss of life. Nonetheless, I remain thankful for his life, his work, his passion and his sacrifice for the career that took his life; for although he may not have worked in my community, his efforts made the lives of those who I love, the people of this country, safer for his being there.

PLease, think before you continue to tap dance across the wounds of the family of a fallen hero. . .

Thank you. It was Feb 2 last year. He left two sons.

[Anne]

Olias, I am sorry for your loss and appreciate his service. Not everyone on here dislikes those who serve and protect.

[The Troll]

Troll:

You really need to step up to the plate and demonstrate a little humanity and compassion toward those whose singular purpose is to serve and protect us, and their families.

Olias is my friend, and one who lost a biological brother who took on the responsibility to serve and protect. Not every individual who chooses a life in the service of a community or state in a law enforcement role is a jack booted thug. In fact, the majority of them are themselves caring and compassionate people who accept the role and its inherent dangers willingly, only because protecting the lives, rights, and property of others is their passion in life. Sure, there are exceptions but those of us who judge them all by the actions of the one or the few, are ourselves demonstrating our ignorance.

Moreover, it has not been that long ago that Olias and his family lost a brother, son, uncle, father, (i do not know if he had children or a family of his own so I am assuming the latter), who was struck down while serving and protecting the public he loved; and that pain is, I am sure, just as powerful and hurtful as it was on the day it happened.  The fact that he died a public hero does nothing to dull the pain that comes with such a sudden and tragic loss of life. Nonetheless, I remain thankful for his life, his work, his passion and his sacrifice for the career that took his life; for although he may not have worked in my community, his efforts made the lives of those who I love, the people of this country, safer for his being there.

PLease, think before you continue to tap dance across the wounds of the family of a fallen hero. . .

  Just where in hell did say anything about his brother.  I did not say anything about him.  I'm sorry he died.  Sure there are good cops, tho I haven't seen too many.   Most of the cops don't take the job to be a service to all mankind.  No, they like guns, cuffs, power over people and most are bullies and nibshits.

  It tickles how all of the assholes come out to take me on for some so called slam  Take what I say out of context.  Just like I follow the wolf.  Old Wolfie doesn't know one damn thing about me, but he sure can come up with some damn fool names.  Like uneducated, heartless, cruel, snobbish, smug, dense, envy problems.  Wolfie you're the damn jerk.  If you think I'd trade my place in life for yours, your self love and all of your over educated buddies, you're out of your freeking mind.  I just can't stand self important assholes.  What's your title Wolfie.

  When you think about it all of the problems we have here in American and who's running it.  It's the over educated college people and college educated lawyers.   They got the country wrapped up and won't give it up until they kill America.

  Wolfie you just set back and cut ass and don't say anything that amounts to a damn thing.  You sure haven't proved to me that you're some kind of a brain trust. 

  I think the value of being a hero is under valued.  Saying all cops, firemen and soldiers are heros.  They were paid, paid to train and paid to do their job.  IT THEIR JOBS NOTHING ELSE.  In war it take 7 to 8 people to serve one combat soldier.  It takes more to serve one fighter pilot on a aircraft carrier.  And they are all payed to do their jobs.  To be a hero is to go beyond your station in life, something you're not train for.  Like the men and women in the shooting in Arizona who brought the gunman down, it wasn't their job.

[Palehorse]

  Just where in hell did say anything about his brother.  . . .

Troll said. . . Next time you're in a crowd of people and your just talking, ask the question, what do you think of the present cops?  I have ask this question several times.  You can't believe who and how many people despise cops.  . . .
  I can remember how the cops were back when I was a teenager.  You never had a problem with them unless you really hard to cause trouble.  But now they make problems, they beat you up, tear up your property up, they make a lot of unlawful arrests and then kill a large group of people every year and and get away with murder.  It's their and their buddies word against their dead victim.

Troll said. . . You won't huh, even the the 4 cops that shot a guy 24 times in New York City when the tried to pull out his billfold.  Or the cop in  Indianapolis that killed a motorcyclist  with a blood alcohol content of 1.8.  Or the cop in Anderson that killed the guy, shooting him in the chest twice, because the comb he had in his hand look like a gun.

  My sister married a jerk of a fire fighter, nurses that deliver the wrong medicine and I sure had some bad teachers.  My you sure have been lucky.

When you make blanket statements that are interpreted as all inclusive, then you are saying it about every single man and woman who puts on the badge. It is VERY easy to see how one who has experienced the ultimate sacrifice of a family member in the line of duty would be offended by such statements.

The fact is every single dedicated and honest police officer in this country detests the law breaking element amongst them just as much as anyone else does.

 

  When you think about it all of the problems we have here in American and who's running it.  It's the over educated college people and college educated lawyers.   They got the country wrapped up and won't give it up until they kill America.

It takes a college education to qualify to hold the offices and positions that contribute to the path of this country moving forward. THAT is a minimum qualification. They are not all right, and they are not all wrong either, they make mistakes and commit crimes in some cases. They are human. An education provides them with the tool necessary to be successful, but it doesn't automatically mean they know how to properly use them does it. . .

  I think the value of being a hero is under valued.  Saying all cops, firemen and soldiers are heros.  They were paid, paid to train and paid to do their job.  IT THEIR JOBS NOTHING ELSE.  In war it take 7 to 8 people to serve one combat soldier.  It takes more to serve one fighter pilot on a aircraft carrier.  And they are all payed to do their jobs.  To be a hero is to go beyond your station in life, something you're not train for.  Like the men and women in the shooting in Arizona who brought the gunman down, it wasn't their job.

Heroism has as many levels as one can imagine. It typically is based upon the perspectives of those who are viewing or considering the act or acts of a given individual or group of individuals.

There are heroes that risk their lives in defense of their brothers in arms within the military - the more traditional translation for the term.

There are heroes that work silently at clerical, administrative tasks that serve to assure the quality of life of those who need their work in order to receive their livelihood. - You rarely if ever hear about them, but they persist none the less.

There are the heroes that are our neighbors who provide us support in our time of great need or sorrow.

There are heroes that work on a voluntary basis to provide for those who cannot do for themselves, or need a hand up. You almost never hear about them either.

There are heroes who drop off food or necessities on a family's porch, ring the bell, and leave without the recipient ever knowing from whom the gift came from.

And there are heroes that choose to accept the very real and ever present risk that their life will be cut short in the performance of their duty to secure the safety and well being of people they do not even personally know, and do so willingly. Yes, they are paid to do so, but the very fact that they choose to accept that risk and live with it every single day, is in itself heroic; for just how many of us are willing to do so for someone we do not even know, no matter how much we would be paid for doing it?

Heroism does not only exist within war, but within each and every aspect of life on this earth. It takes many forms, and the sacrifices it requires more often than not is taken for granted; if they even recognized at all.

The problem is not that the term is applied to many different situations or jobs, but is within the tunnel vision humanity demonstrates in the interpretation of the term, and its failure to recognize it when they see it.

[followsthewolf]

Hey troll,

My title? I don't think much about titles, but I think I've had a few.....

farmer
hide trimmer
mix man/extruder operator
die setter
maintenance man
bartender/waiter
cook
moving man
sports reporter
trackhoe operator
truck driver
intelanalyst
police officer
corrections officer
property manager
researcher

Some were for short periods of time; others, longer.

I don't spend a lot of time explaining my opinions or providing a bibliography because it would be a bus man's holiday -- I don't come here for that.

Moreover, I've been here for quite a spell. My thoughts have been well cataloged by the other long-timers here. I won't justify myself or those conclusions to a person who spends most of his time in "ass cutting" himself -- just a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

The only reason I am posting any of this is to tell you that others besides you have managed to overcome humble beginnings to accomplish interesting things.

But we aren't bitter about those better educated than us. We went back and got those degrees, paying for them ourselves with some of the jobs that carry the "titles" listed above.

The education one has is not the sole determinant of one's character; there are jerks that are educated and those that aren't.

Neither does it depend on the toys we own.

Who we are depends upon how we examine life and how we want to live it with those around us.

[Palehorse]

Hey troll,

My title? I don't think much about titles, but I think I've had a few.....

farmer
hide trimmer
mix man/extruder operator
die setter
maintenance man
bartender/waiter
cook
moving man
sports reporter
trackhoe operator
truck driver
intelanalyst
police officer
corrections officer
property manager
researcher

Some were for short periods of time; others, longer.

I don't spend a lot of time explaining my opinions or providing a bibliography because it would be a bus man's holiday -- I don't come here for that.

Moreover, I've been here for quite a spell. My thoughts have been well cataloged by the other long-timers here. I won't justify myself or those conclusions to a person who spends most of his time in "ass cutting" himself -- just a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

The only reason I am posting any of this is to tell you that others besides you have managed to overcome humble beginnings to accomplish interesting things.

But we aren't bitter about those better educated than us. We went back and got those degrees, paying for them ourselves with some of the jobs that carry the "titles" listed above.

The education one has is not the sole determinant of one's character; there are jerks that are educated and those that aren't.

Neither does it depend on the toys we own.

Who we are depends upon how we examine life and how we want to live it with those around us.

[The Troll]

  You believe what you want, but all of this heroism is really a new thing.  Just like giving kids trophies just for showing up and adults getting off their ass.  But if you are fighting a fire and your under a porch that's on fire and it falls on you that stupid not being a hero.  Or a cop that runs and sticks his head and body in a car when the perp is driving away, that stupid and not being a hero or chasing a guy that runs off from a speeding ticket and chases him through the city at 90 miles per hour is stupid not a hero defending the public.  In fact it kills many people every year.

  I still would like to know how many people are killed by cops each year.  Shooting, forced entries, and speed chases.

  You can call anyone you want a hero, I'll pick mine and it not someone who is paid to do the job.

[Palehorse]

  . . .
  You can call anyone you want a hero, I'll pick mine and it not someone who is paid to do the job.

As I stated, it is all in the perspective of the one(s) viewing the act or acts. . .

In fact, I'd dare say that should you one day find yourself in your truck, trapped, and the fuel ignited, leaving you burning and trapped inside, and a police officer risks his/her life to jump into the vehicle and drag you out; your interpretation will change. . . 

[followsthewolf]

I'd bet everything I own that he would ascribe it to the police officer just "doing his job."

Wonder if troll has a fantasy about wanting to have been a "hero" in his life, or wishing he was one now.

Jealousy?

[The Troll]

Hey troll,

My title? I don't think much about titles, but I think I've had a few.....

farmer
hide trimmer
mix man/extruder operator
die setter
maintenance man
bartender/waiter
cook
moving man
sports reporter
trackhoe operator
truck driver
intelanalyst
police officer
corrections officer
property manager
researcher

Some were for short periods of time; others, longer.

I don't spend a lot of time explaining my opinions or providing a bibliography because it would be a bus man's holiday -- I don't come here for that.

Moreover, I've been here for quite a spell. My thoughts have been well cataloged by the other long-timers here. I won't justify myself or those conclusions to a person who spends most of his time in "ass cutting" himself -- just a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

The only reason I am posting any of this is to tell you that others besides you have managed to overcome humble beginnings to accomplish interesting things.

But we aren't bitter about those better educated than us. We went back and got those degrees, paying for them ourselves with some of the jobs that carry the "titles" listed above.

The education one has is not the sole determinant of one's character; there are jerks that are educated and those that aren't.

Neither does it depend on the toys we own.

Who we are depends upon how we examine life and how we want to live it with those around us.

  Couldn't make it as a cop and a corrections officer.   Man, that's really bad.  But it gives me an idea of where your coming from.

  Me, I cut grass for people starting a 8, $1 per yard.  Hire hand for a farmer at 14 for 66 cents per hour.  At 15 sacked groceries for 50 cents per hour.  At 15 meat cutter and meat counter kid for 89 cents per hour.  At 16 Green house work, flower arrangement and weddings, $1 per hour.  At 18 glass worker, ware tester.  88cents per hour.  19, Ford motor Co. $1.88 per hour,  laid off the entire shift.  19, Guide Lamp $1.50 per hour assemblyman work 89 days laid off.  Back to green house $1 per hour.  At 20 back to Ford Motor Co. $1.88 per hour.  The United States Army $88 per month.  Back at Ford got an apprenticeship.  Worked for 38 straight years and the day I retired I was making $21 per hour and that was 14 years ago and the best year I had was $89,000.  Not to bad for some dumb ass.     Oh yes, I do like my toys, what the matter don't you have any.  You can't have any of mine, unless you pay for them.   Damn it nice to be retired on a Ford Pension and all of the toys and campers.          

[The Troll]

As I stated, it is all in the perspective of the one(s) viewing the act or acts. . .

In fact, I'd dare say that should you one day find yourself in your truck, trapped, and the fuel ignited, leaving you burning and trapped inside, and a police officer risks his/her life to jump into the vehicle and drag you out; your interpretation will change. . . 

  Find my self trapped in a truck.  Most likely other motorist will stop and help, just like I did.  And if a cop comes it is his job and he's paid to do it.  I most likely paid some of his wages.   You have hear of taxes.

[The Troll]

I'd bet everything I own that he would ascribe it to the police officer just "doing his job."

Wonder if troll has a fantasy about wanting to have been a "hero" in his life, or wishing he was one now.

Jealousy?

  As someone just said to me.  Fuck you, what a stupid remark.  My god you're such a dumbass.  Would you get a life.