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Republican Theology of Tax Cuts

Started by Palehorse, November 29, 2010, 01:17:22 PM

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Exterminator

Let me break this down...where are the 'more jobs' produced by the tax cuts made 10 years ago.

I know you think you're wise but you aren't.

This is exactly why I rarely post here any more...what is the point of even trying?
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Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 01, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
Ex, I am asking YOU this question, what role is it of our government to decide how much money they get to take away from hard working people and "give" it away to others?  Is that in our constitution?

How about you ask yourself that question because the reality is that what you're preaching has served only to allow the accumulation of wealth by a certain group at the expense of the country's infrastructure, education, and social safety net.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on December 01, 2010, 03:17:25 PM
Let me break this down...where are the 'more jobs' produced by the tax cuts made 10 years ago.

I know you think you're wise but you aren't.

This is exactly why I rarely post here any more...what is the point of even trying?

First of all, you never TRIED to do anything but chastise and name call....but that is not what we are talking about.

I'm not trying to be a wise ass, but, logic tells anyone,

raising taxes, means giving MORE money for Politicians to spend.

lowering taxes, means more money for the private sector to spend.

Is this not plain and simple Ex?
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on December 01, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
How about you ask yourself that question because the reality is that what you're preaching has served only to allow the accumulation of wealth by a certain group at the expense of the country’s infrastructure, education, and social safety net.


Okay, I'm not following this?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Exterminator on December 01, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
How about you ask yourself that question because the reality is that what you're preaching has served only to allow the accumulation of wealth by a certain group at the expense of the country's infrastructure, education, and social safety net.

Exactly Ex, but for whatever reason there are some who refuse to see the reality of the nation today. Antiquated methodology is now insufficient to address the needs of this country moving forward in each of the sectors you highlighted above, and failure to address it does nothing but exacerbate the problem and extend its negative impact.

The saddest part is that those wailing the loudest will soon be the ones needing the benefits, and if they get their way they will get NOTHING but thrown out onto the streets to starve and freeze.
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on December 01, 2010, 03:17:25 PM
Let me break this down...where are the 'more jobs' produced by the tax cuts made 10 years ago.

The last 10-years has been a turbulent decade....to say tax cuts was not effective is based on no real logic.
we DID have job growth, and we DID have increase in Federal Revenue....had we not been losing jobs to Mexico and two wars, it may have been much better.
but that is speculation of course....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 01, 2010, 04:08:26 PM
The last 10-years has been a turbulent decade....to say tax cuts was not effective is based on no real logic.
we DID have job growth, and we DID have increase in Federal Revenue....had we not been losing jobs to Mexico and two wars, it may have been much better.
but that is speculation of course....

Seriously?  :spooked:

http://mises.org/daily/1544
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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on December 01, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
Seriously?  :spooked:

http://mises.org/daily/1544

Well if Murray N. Rothbard of the Ludwig Von Mises Institutes in Australia says it MUST be so!!... :eek: :biggrin:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Y

Hank,

Your responses in this thread are a prime example of what I pointed out about how you emotionally latch on to a proposition (pre-bias), look for other nitwits that support that position and consider that proof of the truth of the proposition (the logical fallacy Appeal to Popularity), and defend it emotionally by ignoring the evidence that proves the proposition to be false (faith).

It bears no resemblance to the process of critical thinking and analysis.
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Exterminator

Quote from: Palehorse on December 01, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
http://mises.org/daily/1544

Excellent article, PH, but you really didn't expect that Henry would actually read it; did you?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll

  Just this year David Stockman, who with Reagan dreamed up the Trickle Down Theory.  Said, that they knew it wouldn't work then they put it to us.

  Just this week David Stockman said we need to raise taxes to help put a stop to the raising deficits.

  Just think, David Stockman thinks we need to raise taxes and Henry thinks we need to cut taxes.  WOW!  Who would you believe?  Henry Hawk or David Stockman.

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

Quote from: Exterminator on December 02, 2010, 01:34:27 PM
Excellent article, PH, but you really didn't expect that Henry would actually read it; did you?

Nah. . . but you cannot win if you do not play!  :smile:
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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Sandy Eggo

QuoteWhen asked about the role of the Bush tax cuts in terms of job creation Obama said, "It doesn't, which is why I was opposed to it — and I'm still opposed to it. The issue here is not whether I think that the tax cuts for the wealthy are a good or smart thing to do. I've said repeatedly that I think they're not a smart thing to do, particularly because we've got to borrow money, essentially, to pay for them."

Obama framed the tax cuts as the first shot in a battle over the tax code, "The problem is, is that this is the single issue that the Republicans are willing to scotch the entire deal for. And in that circumstances — in that circumstance, we've got, basically, a very simple choice: Either I allow 2 million people who are currently getting unemployment insurance not to get it, either I allow the recovery that we're on to be endangered or we make a compromise now, understanding that for the next two years this is going to be a central battle as part of a larger discussion about how do we reform our tax code so that it's fair and how do we make sure that we actually are dealing with the deficit and debt in an intelligent way?"

http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-tax-npr
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Doc

I believe that Obami thinks that this move will help him with the conservatives in 2012 but we see the wolf tail sticking out of his antichrist sheep costume.