Hawking: God did not create the universe!

[Palehorse]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/02/hawking.god.universe/index.html?hpt=C1

. . .God did not create the universe, world-famous physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book that aims to banish a divine creator from physics.
Hawking says in his book "The Grand Design" that, given the existence of gravity, "the universe can and will create itself from nothing," according to an excerpt published Thursday in The Times of London.
"Spontaneous creation is the reason why there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," he writes in the excerpt.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper [fuse] and set the universe going," he writes. . .

I will be reading this book when I can get my grubby little hooves on it!

[me]

Ya know, the whole thing to me is like a chicken egg thing.  Even if there were a God who created him?  So couldn't both sides of the discussion have a point?  Nothing created God and he created the rest.....I know go away.....Heck this whole universe could be a speck of dirt on some giants arm for all we know.

[The Troll]

Ya know, the whole thing to me is like a chicken egg thing.  Even if there were a God who created him?  So couldn't both sides of the discussion have a point?  Nothing created God and he created the rest.....I know go away.....Heck this whole universe could be a speck of dirt on some giants arm for all we know.

  Now you're getting it.  We can know only what we can see.  This faith bullshit, is for the   Let us

[me]

  Now you're getting it.  We can know only what we can see.  This faith bullshit, is for the   Let us

What do you mean now I get it?  I've always had it......

[The Troll]

If there it a God, he doing a piss poor job.  Especieally for the people in his imaige here on earth.  Like I have said before he needs to be fired.   And do you really think a rainbow is God's  promise to not to flood the earth again or it the sunlight refacting off of rain drops.  Hummmmm.

[me]

If there it a God, he doing a piss poor job.  Especieally for the people in his imaige here on earth.  Like I have said before he needs to be fired.   And do you really think a rainbow is God's  promise to not to flood the earth again or it the sunlight refacting off of rain drops.  Hummmmm.

Don't you know nuthin' Troll?  We're all in hell 'cause we got cast out of Eden for doin' bad stuff.....   Actually I think Hawking is pretty much a flake. 

[Bo D]

Actually I think Hawking is pretty much a flake.

I think most people think that about people as absolutely brilliant as he is.

[me]

I think most people think that about people as absolutely brilliant as he is.

True 'cause they usually wonder around in a foggy state and behave weird for some unknown reason.  Didn't they think Einstein was a fruit cake too?

[Bo D]

True 'cause they usually wonder around in a foggy state and behave weird for some unknown reason.  Didn't they think Einstein was a fruit cake too?

Have you seen Hawking lately? Do you really think he can wander around? And how is sitting completely motionless in a wheelchair behaving weirdly?

[me]

Have you seen Hawking lately? Do you really think he can wander around? And how is sitting completely motionless in a wheelchair behaving weirdly?

Ok get technical.....some wheel around.....duh....I know he can't move but others can.  sheesh 

[Bo D]

Common sense is instinct.  Enough of it is genius.  ~George Bernard Shaw

[Bo D]

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.  ~Jonathan Swift

[Sandy Eggo]

Hawking is amazing!

[Henry Hawk]

I still think Al had it right when he said...    "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is      blind."

[LOsborne]

Do you have any real conception of what Einstein was talking about when he wrote that little throw-away line in 1941?

...a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings, and aspirations to which he clings because of their superpersonalvalue. It seems to me that what is important is the force of this superpersonal content and the depth of the conviction concerning its overpowering meaningfulness, regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a divine Being...

Einstein was speaking of what he called "cosmic religious feeling," which does not include either fear of the unknown or regulation of morality, and has no anthropomorphic central figure.

The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm#TWO

If you have read and understood these discourses by Einstein, and still believe Al had it right, I welcome you to the realm of reason.