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Is letting a 13 year old race motorcycles child neglet/endangerment?

Started by Exterminator, August 30, 2010, 02:54:25 PM

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Exterminator

Sorry but no 13 year old is mature enough to understand the ultimate consequences of a mistake in that circumstance.
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Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on August 30, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
I hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but if you can find any interviews with the parents, or pictures of them, I'll bet money they're a bit red in the neck.  :wink:

More than a bit, I'm sure.  Maybe we should be thanking Darwin.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

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Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2010, 04:17:07 PM
Sorry but no 13 year old is mature enough to understand the ultimate consequences of a mistake in that circumstance.

I disagree, maybe not every or even a lot, but I have known some that do.


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Anne

Kids can't drive until they are 16 or older, letting them race is asking for trouble. I agree with Ex on this one no teenager understands death, they all think it won't happen to them.
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me

Quote from: Locutus on August 30, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
I hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but if you can find any interviews with the parents, or pictures of them, I'll bet money they're a bit red in the neck.  :wink:
They would have to be rich red necks.  Do you have a clue how much money that type of racing costs?
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The Troll

Quote from: Anne on August 30, 2010, 05:18:21 PM
Kids can't drive until they are 16 or older, letting them race is asking for trouble. I agree with Ex on this one no teenager understands death, they all think it won't happen to them.

  More kids die in bath tubs, falling out of trees, riding bicycles, swimming pools, drowning in ponds, skate boarding than riding in a motorcycle race.  It's bad and I'm sad it happened, but life go one.

Anne

But why would you let it happen? I don't thin we can protect children from everything but to purposly put them in harm's way is something else.
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The Troll

Quote from: Anne on August 30, 2010, 05:28:11 PM
But why would you let it happen? I don't thin we can protect children from everything but to purposly put them in harm's way is something else.

  Why not.  I had a bicycle when I was a kid and I bought one for my kid.  I had a tree  house, I built one for my kid.  I had a gun and went hunting, so when he was 10 I bought him a gun and we went hunting.

   What you going to do, them them lock up, send them to a private Chirstain school, send them to Christian college not do anything dangerous then when you turn them out into the cold cruel world and let them fend for themselves.  Anne give a break.  We are raising men and women not Mamby Pamby Pussies.  Want a Kleenx.

Anne

And my kids had bikes, and tree houses and skateboards and played football too. Bud I did not put them on a motorcycle to race around a track at a high speed. A heck of a lot more dangerous than riding a bike down a neighborhood street.
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The Troll

Quote from: Anne on August 30, 2010, 06:53:55 PM
And my kids had bikes, and tree houses and skateboards and played football too. Bud I did not put them on a motorcycle to race around a track at a high speed. A heck of a lot more dangerous than riding a bike down a neighborhood street.


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Locutus

Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 05:18:58 PM
They would have to be rich red necks.  Do you have a clue how much money that type of racing costs?

Sponsorships.   Besides, NASCAR is full of rich rednecks.  :yes:
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Mr442

Quote from: Locutus on August 30, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
I hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but if you can find any interviews with the parents, or pictures of them, I'll bet money they're a bit red in the neck.  :wink:

I wouldn't count on it.  This was GP racing, not flat track or motocross.  This deal takes money, and lots of it.

We put my youngest in a Junior Dragster at 9 years old.  We had considered motorcycles, quarter midgets and go karts as well.  The Juniors had the least amount of risk to the child, so we erred on the side of safety.  Plus I had been drag racing off and on for a number of years and Mike grew up (as much as a 9 year old can) at the strip.  While I believe he could have been successful in any form of motorsports, we were most comfortable with him drag racing.  Had I been into racing motorcycles, we would have likely went that direction.

It all comes down to the comfort level you have with your child and his interests.  Overall, racing tends to have less injuries than stick and ball sports, so who is to say what is right for the kids?  It's a personal choice, and you have to live with any consequences.
Mr442

me

Quote from: The Troll on August 30, 2010, 07:05:00 PM

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Troll that particular sport is very dangerous even for an adult and though I agree it was their right to allow their kid to race I would not have allowed a child of mine to do something like that, at least I don't think I would have, as much as I enjoyed going to them and motocross races and feeling the excitement when my ex brother-in-law won or came in close to first.  I do disagree with Ann that they don't know the dangers though because they see it happen a lot when they are racing at those levels because of the number of events they are in each year and they are well aware it could happen to them too.  I'd say his parents were aware of the danger too just as Ex was aware of the danger of taking his kids sky diving but you can't live your life in a cocoon.
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Mr442

Quote from: Anne on August 30, 2010, 06:53:55 PM
And my kids had bikes, and tree houses and skateboards and played football too. Bud I did not put them on a motorcycle to race around a track at a high speed. A heck of a lot more dangerous than riding a bike down a neighborhood street.

This was on a warm up lap, not up to speed, and all of the safety equipment.  This was a freak accident, kids on bicycles are at far more risk.
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me

Quote from: Mr442 on August 30, 2010, 09:49:23 PM
This was on a warm up lap, not up to speed, and all of the safety equipment.  This was a freak accident, kids on bicycles are at far more risk.
Thank you 442.  I don't think any of them would listen to me on this but you being, familiar with it too, can maybe help them understand. 
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