Fred Thompson "Catastrophic" if Bush Tax cuts aren't reviewed

[me]

  PC Hawk, your only solution to this economy is.  Quit spending money.  Cut taxes.  Quit spending, cut taxes, cut taxes, quit spending, cut taxes.

  You want to do what Herbert Hoover's idea of getting us out the depression.  The Super Rich and the corporations they own are hording money, the American don't have extra money to spend, who in hell is left to get this economy going, it's the American Government.

  Let talk about the Subs, they were not cheap.  They tasted good because the woman made them good.  Why did she work for him.  Because there hardly wasn't any close jobs to work.  The only jobs that were to be had paid around $6.20 or less.  To take one of them, she would have to pay tax, Buy a car and pay for gas.  She walked to work.

  Why I didn't turn in the greedy bastard was, he would have lost the store and she would lose her job.  If things were different I would have turned him.  But being in Florida, it wouldn't have went anywere.

I sure would like to see how well your boss lives and his relation who work in the business.  I'll bet a S.S. check he's living high in his million dollar house and the things that goes with that.

And that, my dear sir, is the privilege of owning the business.  You would be like the people who worked for me when I had my business.  I realized one day that the employees actually made more than I did and I was working right along side them and they thought if I wasn't working they didn't have to either. That was my fault since I don't see myself as any better than they are and wasn't about to have them do anything I wouldn't be willing to do.  If I had been a little smarter I would have done things differently.  No, I didn't close it because it wasn't doing good I closed it because I couldn't find people willing to work.  And, no, I will not reveal what kind of business it was on a public forum.

[The Troll]

  No, I didn't close it because it wasn't doing good I closed it because I couldn't find people willing to work. 

  Or was it, I couldn't find the people to the hard dirty job at the wage I was willing to pay.  I  really did some filthy work, but Ford paid what I thought it was worth.  Would I have done it for $5, $10, NO,$15 maybe and at $20 per hour bring it on.

  Or you could have had a job "NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DO." Say, removing anti-personell mines for minumum wage.

  One guy started a business that cleaned up after murders, suicides, Building and rooms where bodies had rotted for weeks in the summer, blood on the walls and ceilings.  He said he had a hard time finding someone to do the job.  When he found one he paid very good.

  Or you could have been like one of the owners of a Steel Pipe and fittings the big heavy duty plumbing material company.

  One day my uncle was setting out of the sight of the owner and his son, who was the sales manager.  The son was complaining about my uncle was making more money that he was.  The owner said to the boy.  Do you want to go out into the field like he does.  The boy said no.  The owner said then forget about it.  I don't care how much money Bob makes, the more the better.  Because he isn't going to make more than me.  My uncle said that was OK with him.

  So if they were making more money than you and you were working physically harder than them.  You needed a course in management.  Your suppose to work your mind not your body.  I think most good workers know that, your the boss.

  But for some reason, I think a company owner who makes over $300,000 a year after he has payed all the cost of doing business and he cleared over $300,000 he is not a small business man.  In other words he not starving to death.

[me]

  Or was it, I couldn't find the people to the hard dirty job at the wage I was willing to pay.  I  really did some filthy work, but Ford paid what I thought it was worth.  Would I have done it for $5, $10, NO,$15 maybe and at $20 per hour bring it on.

  Or you could have had a job "NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DO." Say, removing anti-personell mines for minumum wage.

  One guy started a business that cleaned up after murders, suicides, Building and rooms where bodies had rotted for weeks in the summer, blood on the walls and ceilings.  He said he had a hard time finding someone to do the job.  When he found one he paid very good.

  Or you could have been like one of the owners of a Steel Pipe and fittings the big heavy duty plumbing material company.

  One day my uncle was setting out of the sight of the owner and his son, who was the sales manager.  The son was complaining about my uncle was making more money that he was.  The owner said to the boy.  Do you want to go out into the field like he does.  The boy said no.  The owner said then forget about it.  I don't care how much money Bob makes, the more the better.  Because he isn't going to make more than me.  My uncle said that was OK with him.

  So if they were making more money than you and you were working physically harder than them.  You needed a course in management.  Your suppose to work your mind not your body.  I think most good workers know that, your the boss.

  But for some reason, I think a company owner who makes over $300,000 a year after he has payed all the cost of doing business and he cleared over $300,000 he is not a small business man.  In other words he not starving to death.

Your comment about the boss living high while the poor workers slave away isn't always necessarily so and what does that have to do with anything anyway.  You said yourself if managed properly the owner should make more money than the employee and yes, I did manage my business poorly in that aspect because I have a peon mindset and did not think of myself as an "owner" I still thought of myself as a worker and you can't do that.  You mentioned that sub shop and didn't say if it was a franchise or not, which I doubt if it was, and if it wasn't that's probably all he could afford to pay and was lucky to find someone who would work for what that lady did.  Yes, he should have had at least one more employee in case she got sick or needed to be off for some reason.  Did you ever think she may not have been being entirely truthful with you?  Saving the mistakes to take to the accountant doesn't even make sense if you think about it and if he did the accountant was laughing his head off at the guy because that would be no proof to the IRS for a deduction of any kind.  You are judging that owner without knowing all the facts based on something the employee told you who may not have been telling you the truth. 

What, to you, constitutes a small business?  The way you talk the person who owns the 4 pizza parlors is not considered a small business owner.   How do you know what or how he pays?  Have you looked at his books to know what his expenses are and how much he clears?  How much do you think those pizzas would cost if he paid more than minimum wage plus benefits? 

[Exterminator]

And, no, I will not reveal what kind of business it was on a public forum.

LOL!  Very convenient but selling Amway doesn't constitute owning a business.

[Henry Hawk]

  I sure would like to see how well your boss lives and his relation who work in the business.  I'll bet a S.S. check he's living high in his million dollar house and the things that goes with that.

and what in the hell is WRONG if he did?.........HE is the one who built a company from scratch...it is HIS money that is being reinvested, so that WE can have jobs....WTF is the manner with YOU guys?

and for the record, he does NOT live in a million dollar home.....he has a very nice home, with some very nice vehicles, and I am very sure he has money that if he wanted to, he could sell the business and live very comfortable for the rest of his life...NOT everyone who has money are pricks....

Troll, if it was up to YOU, you would demand that this guy give UP a few of his cars, and MORE of HIS money so that YOU can buy one or two of those cars and live in a nicer home....

I do consider myself very fortunate to have such a boss......and I WANT him to continue to be successful, because when HE is successful, I am successful...

[The Troll]

and what in the hell is WRONG if he did?.........HE is the one who built a company from scratch...it is HIS money that is being reinvested, so that WE can have jobs....WTF is the manner with YOU guys?

and for the record, he does NOT live in a million dollar home.....he has a very nice home, with some very nice vehicles, and I am very sure he has money that if he wanted to, he could sell the business and live very comfortable for the rest of his life...NOT everyone who has money are pricks....

Troll, if it was up to YOU, you would demand that this guy give UP a few of his cars, and MORE of HIS money so that YOU can buy one or two of those cars and live in a nicer home....

I do consider myself very fortunate to have such a boss......and I WANT him to continue to be successful, because when HE is successful, I am successful...

  To cover the Twins questions.

  Why would the woman lie to me.  She had no reason.  The accountant took care of all of his little businesses deals. The idea of taking the mistakes, bad food, was to keep her straight,  "So she wouldn't cheat or steal."  The business was set up like he was the only one operating it.  It's how tax evaders work, "ME"

  Now, if you were selling Amway products, and I had several people I knew tried and failed.  All of them tried to get me to sell them.  I seen all of the tapes of the big homes, the big RVs and the marvelous vacations the people were suppose to get as Amyway salesman and district managers to state managers and so on.  I told her, Judy you don't have a protection from other people coming in and moving across the street selling Amyway.  Come to find out there were 3 people trying to sell Amway in this small town.

  Well, I thought it was and the research on Amway, it was a pyramid game.  Beside being crookedly ran, the only ones that made money in this scam was the family members and family friends and their family.  There was no way an outsider was going to make any money.

  My stepsister, tried so hard to get me in it and I tried so hard to keep her out.  Well, she took the plunge and at the end of the game she had a room of unwanted Amway products which she had over $8,000 of her money in.  So don't tell me I don't know about Amway.  I was a scam.

  The funny thing was my stepsister had worked for Walmart.  I told her "How in hell are you, from your house and telephone going to compete with Walmart, selling the same things they sell."

  Now the other twin.  There you go again putting words in my mouth.  Did you read my post where I said that I was for people to did it on their own, could make all of the money they wanted.

  He's the people I want to make big money.  Not the Tony Hayward of BP. who got out of college and the CEO of BP put Tony under his wing and up the ladder he went.  Because of his mismanagement of BP created the world largest oil spill, is retired, to get him out of sight, $900,000 a  year retirement.  Wrong!!!

  Now your boss, what you say, well that's great.  But if he's making over $300,000 a year, clear, after he's paid you and every thing to run his business and he's ran straight and honest books.  I don't see why putting the tax rate back to where it was is going to change his life style so drastically.

   The Republicans gave that limited time tax cut.  Why would it put him out of business if his taxes was raised back to the original 2% more.

  If you have read any of my post and really took it of what I have said,  I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST A  PERSON WHO DID IT HIMSELF, GETTING RICH.  Ross Perot, Bill Lear and Henry Ford before he began thinking he was god.

  But the people like the 6 guys from Ford, splitting $6 million dollars of Ford stockholders money, the top leaches of the big banks and stock market making billions of dollars with fraud.  Now I think that's unfair and unjust.   I hate the Super Rich Predatory Capitalist bastards, let me say again, I HATE THE SUPER RICH "PREDATORY" CAPITALIST BASTARDS, Sorry!

[Henry Hawk]

   I hate the Super Rich Predatory Capitalist bastards, let me say again, I HATE THE SUPER RICH "PREDATORY" CAPITALIST BASTARDS, Sorry!

I understand, and I am not a fan by any means of MOST of those "bastards".........but, equally, I don't lke the SUPER RICH "PREDATORY" BIG GOVERNMENT BASTARDS, much either....

[me]

LOL!  Very convenient but selling Amway doesn't constitute owning a business.

It was not a sales business and it's none of your business what it was.  Also it was successful I just couldn't get decent help which used to be a problem for most everyone.  Everyone had Troll's attitude that I should pay factory wages and that just wasn't going to happen because it wasn't a skilled trade type job. I paid better than other businesses in that same category I found out later and no one appreciated it they instead took advantage of it.

[me]

  To cover the Twins questions.

  Why would the woman lie to me.  She had no reason.  The accountant took care of all of his little businesses deals. The idea of taking the mistakes, bad food, was to keep her straight,  "So she wouldn't cheat or steal."  The business was set up like he was the only one operating it.  It's how tax evaders work, "ME"

  Now, if you were selling Amway products, and I had several people I knew tried and failed.  All of them tried to get me to sell them.  I seen all of the tapes of the big homes, the big RVs and the marvelous vacations the people were suppose to get as Amyway salesman and district managers to state managers and so on.  I told her, Judy you don't have a protection from other people coming in and moving across the street selling Amyway.  Come to find out there were 3 people trying to sell Amway in this small town.

  Well, I thought it was and the research on Amway, it was a pyramid game.  Beside being crookedly ran, the only ones that made money in this scam was the family members and family friends and their family.  There was no way an outsider was going to make any money.

  My stepsister, tried so hard to get me in it and I tried so hard to keep her out.  Well, she took the plunge and at the end of the game she had a room of unwanted Amway products which she had over $8,000 of her money in.  So don't tell me I don't know about Amway.  I was a scam.

  The funny thing was my stepsister had worked for Walmart.  I told her "How in hell are you, from your house and telephone going to compete with Walmart, selling the same things they sell."

  Now the other twin.  There you go again putting words in my mouth.  Did you read my post where I said that I was for people to did it on their own, could make all of the money they wanted.

  He's the people I want to make big money.  Not the Tony Hayward of BP. who got out of college and the CEO of BP put Tony under his wing and up the ladder he went.  Because of his mismanagement of BP created the world largest oil spill, is retired, to get him out of sight, $900,000 a  year retirement.  Wrong!!!

  Now your boss, what you say, well that's great.  But if he's making over $300,000 a year, clear, after he's paid you and every thing to run his business and he's ran straight and honest books.  I don't see why putting the tax rate back to where it was is going to change his life style so drastically.

   The Republicans gave that limited time tax cut.  Why would it put him out of business if his taxes was raised back to the original 2% more.

  If you have read any of my post and really took it of what I have said,  I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST A  PERSON WHO DID IT HIMSELF, GETTING RICH.  Ross Perot, Bill Lear and Henry Ford before he began thinking he was god.

  But the people like the 6 guys from Ford, splitting $6 million dollars of Ford stockholders money, the top leaches of the big banks and stock market making billions of dollars with fraud.  Now I think that's unfair and unjust.   I hate the Super Rich Predatory Capitalist bastards, let me say again, I HATE THE SUPER RICH "PREDATORY" CAPITALIST BASTARDS, Sorry!

When are you going to get it through your head that profit is the name of the game for all businesses large or small and if the government takes almost half of that profit that isn't right.  Why should they pay out the wazoo for benefits and wages and then give half the profit to the government?  And so what if their CEO's make tons of money are you jealous?  Do you want a share of their money too?  They have a lot of responsibility on their heads and have to answer to a lot of people and maybe you'd feel differently if you were a CEO of a large company and think you deserved all that money.  Not once have I seen anyone say anything about what these super rich predatory companies do as far as charities and what they give back to communities where they're located.  Not once have I seen you mention the fact that Wal-Mart gives free of discounted drugs to those who can't afford them.  I am soooo sick of hearing about the "rich predatory capitalists" I could puke.

[Exterminator]

It was not a sales business and it's none of your business what it was.  Also it was successful I just couldn't get decent help which used to be a problem for most everyone.

I used to be a surgeon but it's none of your business what kind of surgeon I was.  I was successful but couldn't get decent OR nurses.  The internet is fun; we can all be whomever we want!

[Anne]

Oh, good, then I want to be 30 and a lawyer.

[Exterminator]

Who does everyone else want to be?   

[The Troll]

When are you going to get it through your head that profit is the name of the game for all businesses large or small and if the government takes almost half of that profit that isn't right.  Why should they pay out the wazoo for benefits and wages and then give half the profit to the government?  And so what if their CEO's make tons of money are you jealous?  Do you want a share of their money too?  They have a lot of responsibility on their heads and have to answer to a lot of people and maybe you'd feel differently if you were a CEO of a large company and think you deserved all that money.  Not once have I seen anyone say anything about what these super rich predatory companies do as far as charities and what they give back to communities where they're located.  Not once have I seen you mention the fact that Wal-Mart gives free of discounted drugs to those who can't afford them.  I am soooo sick of hearing about the "rich predatory capitalists" I could puke.

  Why does Walmart gives free of discounted drugs to poor people?  It's to get more poor people into their stores so the can sell more cheap foreign shit.  Which will do away with more American jobs which will make more poor people to buy more foreign shit from Walmart.  That's why.

[Anne]

I thought it was to get more people to use their pharmacy, kinda like Kroger and Target does.

[The Troll]

I thought it was to get more people to use their pharmacy, kinda like Kroger and Target does.
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  Just where is the pharmacy at Walmart?  It's inside the store where they sell cheap foreign shit.  Walmart isn't giving anything away, just for their health and just good will.