I Wonder. . .

[Palehorse]

Boone County gets taste of Old England


WHITESTOWN - A little taste of England will come to Boone County Saturday.
The Seventh annual Boone County Polo Event will entertain crowds at 1 p.m. Saturday at the Hickory Hall Polo Club, 7545 East 100 North, Whitestown.


The event will benefit the Witham Health Services Foundation and the Boone County Learning Network.
In addition to the polo match, there will be children's activities, and women can compete for the Pretty Woman Award. The event also includes VIP Box decorating contest, which in the past have been transformed into a cruise ship, front porch with rocking chairs and a castle complete with moat and drawbridge.
Cost is $20 for general admission and $150 to $500 for VIP boxes.
Attendees should bring chairs and can bring picnics and leashed dogs. They will also get to stomp the "non-steaming" divots at halftime.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100715/LOCAL02/7150484/-1/frontpagecities/Boone-County-gets-taste-of-Old-England


Will they be serving wine made with English Grapes?

[followsthewolf]

They can't grow grapes in England...........................................................can they? Huh? Really?

Help me out here.

[Palehorse]

They can't grow grapes in England...........................................................can they? Huh? Really?

Help me out here.

[me]

Global Warming: An Unstoppable 1,500-Year Cycle


New Book Debunks Greenhouse Fears and Points to Natural 1,500-Year Warming

Cycles



    NEW YORK, Nov. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- A new book that is bound to be
controversial in public policy and environmental circles says that the
Earth has a moderate, natural warming roughly every 1,500 years caused by a
solar- linked cycle. The current Modern Warming may be mostly due to that
natural cycle and not human activity, say the book's authors, well-known
climate physicist Fred Singer and Hudson Institute economist Dennis Avery.
     "Unstoppable Global Warming-Every 1500 Years" (Rowman & Littlefield,
276 pages, $24.95) assembles physical and historical evidence of the
natural climate cycle that ranges from ancient records in Rome, Egypt, and
China; to 12,000 antique paintings in museums; to Vikings' tooth enamel in
Greenland cemeteries; and to high-tech analyses of ice cores, seabed
sediments, tree rings, fossil pollen and cave stalagmites.
    "The Romans wrote about growing wine grapes in Britain in the first
century," says Avery, "and then it got too cold during the Dark Ages.
Ancient tax records show the Britons grew their own wine grapes in the 11th
century, during the Medieval Warming, and then it got too cold during the
Little Ice Age. It isn't yet warm enough for wine grapes in today's
Britain. Wine grapes are among the most accurate and sensitive indicators
of temperature and they are telling us about a cycle. They also indicate
that today's warming is not unprecedented."
     "We have lots of physical evidence for the 1,500-year cycle," says
Singer. "Yet we don't have physical evidence that human-emitted CO2 is
adding significantly to the natural cycle. The current warming started in
1850, too early to be blamed on industries and autos."
     Singer notes that humanity learned of the 1,500-year cycle only
recently, from the first Greenland ice cores brought up in 1983. The cycle
was too long and moderate to be observed by earlier peoples without
thermometers and written records. The Greenland ice cores showed the
1,500-year cycle going back 250,000 years. It raises temperatures at the
latitude of New York and Paris by 1-2 degrees C for centuries at a time,
more at the North and South Poles, with a global average of 0.5 degrees C.
In 1987, the first Antarctic ice core showed the cycle extending back
through the last 400,000 years and four Ice Ages-and demonstrated the cycle
was indeed global.
     There is also evidence of the 1,500-year cycle in seabed sediments from
six oceans, in ancient tree rings from around the Northern Hemisphere, in
glacier advances and retreats from Greenland to New Zealand, and in cave
stalagmites from every continent including South Africa. The North American
Pollen Database shows nine complete reorganizations of the continent's
trees and plants in the past 14,000 years, or one every 1,650 years.
     "The deepest seabed sediment cores show the cycle has been going on for
at least a million years," says Avery.
     Sunspot observations over the past 400 years, along with modern
analysis of carbon and beryllium isotopes, link the 1,500-year cycle to
variations recently detected by satellites in the sun's irradiance.
     Antarctic ice studies show global temperatures tracking closely with
atmospheric CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. However, Singer and
Avery note the studies also show that temperature changes preceded the CO2
changes by about 800 years. Thus, more warming has produced more
atmospheric CO2, rather than more CO2 producing global warming. This makes
sense, say the authors, because the oceans hold vastly more CO2 than the
air, and warming forces water to release some its gases.
     Singer and Avery say that the science of the natural cycle runs counter
to what many believe and fear will happen as a result of man-made global
warming:
     * Wild species won't become extinct in our warming because they've been
       through at least 600 previous warmings, including the Holocene Warming
       just 5,000 years ago that was much warmer than today.

     * The seas won't rise to drown New York before the next cooling, because
       90 percent of the world's remaining ice is in the melt-resistant
       Antarctic. Even a 5 degree C warming would decrease its ice mass by only
       1.5 percent, over centuries.

     * Warming won't bring famine, because it brings what crops like -- longer
       growing seasons, more sunlight, and few untimely frosts. More CO2 also
       stimulates plants' growth, and enhances their water use efficiency.
     "We hope our book will help calm the rampant hysteria about global
warming and the flawed Greenhouse models," emphasizes Avery. "We should be
using our resources and technology to find the best ways to adapt to the
inevitable but moderate warming to come, not to study one climate model
after another, scare people to death, and pass crippling 'environmental'
legislation that would deny the world the economic growth it needs to
overcome poverty, the greatest problem of all."
     About Hudson Institute
     Hudson Institute is a non-partisan policy research organization
dedicated to innovative research and analysis that promotes global
security, prosperity, and freedom. For more information about Hudson
Institute, visit our website at www.hudson.org.
Available Topic Expert(s): For information on the listed expert(s), click
appropriate link.
Dennis Avery
http://profnet.prnewswire.com/Subscriber/ExpertProfile.aspx?ei=52881
Dr. S. Fred Singer
http://profnet.prnewswire.com/Subscriber/ExpertProfile.aspx?ei=52883



SOURCE Hudson Institute

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/global-warming-an-unstoppable-1500-year-cycle-56254572.html

[me]

With the coming cooler climate in the 1400's, temperatures became too cold for grape production and the vineyards in southern England gradually declined.

http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html

[Palehorse]

WHITE VARIETIES

Auxerrois
Valued for its low acidity and produces exciting and long lasting wines if yields are kept low. It adds 'body' to blended wines. Also grown in Alsace, where it is usually blended into 'Edelzwicker', and found in Luxembourg, Burgundy, Canada, New Zealand and USA. As a neutral Pinot Blanc/Chardonnay style variety it is also useful for barrel ageing or as a sparkling wine base.

Bacchus
(Silvaner x Riesling) x Müller-Thurgau
Its grapes have a strong and distinctive aromatic flavour, with high sugar content. It is regularly made into a single varietal wine and although common in Germany it is also very successful in this country. Some wines produced from this grape develop good New World Sauvignon Blanc characters. When riper, tends towards Sancerre. Well made Bacchus wines age well and develop interesting flavours. This is one of the UK's better varieties, capable of producing world-class wines. Third most widely planted variety in UK (2003).

Chardonnay
Grown largely as a fundamental ingredient of the finest sparkling wines, with plantings on the increase, along with Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier, for production of sparkling wine. There also occasionally some gems when produced into still wine.

Faberrebe
Pinot Blanc x Müller-Thurgau
Not extensively planted in this country but seems to blend well with Müller-Thurgau. It develops good must weight and, in Germany, can qualify for 'spätlese' status. Produces wines that are very fruity with crisp acidity.

Huxelrebe
Chasselas x Courtillier Musqué
Bred in 1927 in Germany. Has a rather 'muscat' style and is a good cropper with good sugar levels. It needs careful management and can be used for dessert wines because of its susceptibility to 'noble rot'. It has a high natural acidity and strong aromas of elderflowers, producing very fruity wines that age well.

Kerner
Trollinger (Black Hamburg) x Riesling
Bred in 1929, this is a very successful grape that ripens reliably and produces excellent fruit. It has a style similar to Riesling and is popular in Germany. It may well have a good future in England. A variant, 'Kernling' ripens earlier than Kerner but produces virtually identical grapes, with wines that are fruity in a steely, Riesling style.

Madeleine Angevine (or Madeleine x Angevine 7672)
Designed for northern planting, it flowers late is an early, reliable cropper. It is useful for blending since it ages well and its relative low acidity will blend well with higher acid varieties. On its own it produces wines that are light and fruity with a pronounced muscatty bouquet.

Müller-Thurgau (also known as Rivaner)
Uncertain parentage, though now generally thought to be Riesling x Riesling
Bred in 1882. The main grape in Liebfraumilch, and was used in Germany to restore the fortunes of their vineyards after the war but is now seen as bland. This grape was among the first planted in the U.K when grape growing resumed and was the single most widely grown variety for many years. It is now less popular being seen as a producer of unstylish wines. It is popular in central and eastern Europe. A vigorous early ripening variety, but can be a poor cropper.

Optima
(Silvaner x Riesling) x Müller-Thurgau
First registered in the early 1970's. An early ripening variety that achieves high must weights, and therefore suitable for 'late harvest' wines.

Orion
Hybrid. Optima x Seyve Villard 12-375 (Villard Blanc)
Crossing in Germany first registered in 1984. One of a new generation of hybrid varieties bred both for wine quality and disease resistance. Being a recent introduction to the UK it is currently too early to tell whether it has a future. Early reports are encouraging and wines can be fruity and quite aromatic. The increase in area shows that it is achieving some limited popularity. One to watch with interest.

Ortega
Müller-Thurgau x Siegerrebe
First introduced to the UK in 1971. This vine suits our climate, although is prone to disease, and is planted widely. It produces very full flavours and high natural sugars and has been used for late harvest wines. When ripe it produces wines that are rich and zesty with good balance. Good for blending with more neutral varieties.

Phoenix
Hybrid. Bacchus x Seyve Villard 12-375 (Villard Blanc)
A recent cross and one of a new generation of hybrid varieties bred for quality and disease resistance. Currently planted in a few vineyards, but one to watch. Wines from Phoenix are also quite Bacchus-like, sometimes Sauvignon Blanc in character.

Pinot Blanc
This is a mutation of Pinot Gris (see below). There are various strains of this grape. The wine has a strong nose and, where planted, seems to ripen its fruit well and produces wine with good and full fruit flavours and crisp acidity. It crops heavily in most years. Can produce a style similar to Chardonnay.

Pinot Gris
Widely grown in France, where its main home is Alsace and known there as Tokay Pinot Gris. It is also grown in Germany, Italy and Switzerland and known by various names including Rülander, Malvoisie and Pinot Beurot. It is not widely planted in the UK, and does not produce such exceptional flavours as found in other countries.

Reichensteiner
Müller-Thurgau x (Madeleine Angevine x Calabreser Fröhlich)
A popular variety in the UK – currently the second most widely grown variety after Seyval Blanc (2002). It ripens early and performs reliably, and is capable of producing large crops of relatively neutral grapes, high in natural sugars. It is reliable but a little bland and is often used for blending in both still and sparkling wines, having good sugar levels.

Regner
Luglienca Bianca x Early Gamay
Proves itself capable of good yields, ripens early with good sugars and relatively low acids – in short an ideal candidate for our climate! Wine quality can be excellent.

Rivaner Another name for Müller-Thurgau (see above)

Rülander The German name for Pinot Gris.

Schönburger
Pinot Noir x (Chasselas Rosé x Muscat Hamburg)
This grape is very successful in the UK, producing white wines with low acidity but high sugar levels and good Muscat tones (some resembling a less powerful version of Gewürztraminer). When fully ripe it has a pink tinge. Its wines are distinctive, full-bodied and delicately flavoured.

Seyval Blanc
Seibel 5656 x Seibel 4986
Developed in the 1920's in France. Now the most widely grown variety in the UK (2002). It crops heavily in this country, even producing good crops in cooler years, and has effective disease resistance. It is a good 'all rounder' - often used for blending, and is well suited to oak aging and used for still or sparkling wines. Single varietal wines offer crisp acidity, with quite neutral flavours.

Siegerrebe
A small berried and intensely aromatic variety. One of its parents was the famously spicy Gewürztraminer grape. It ripens sometimes to excessive levels and has a very dominating flavour. It is often used to bolster blended wines and a few growers use it as a varietal in its own right – some for late harvest and dessert wines.

Würzer
Müller-Thurgau x Gewürztraminer
This crossing was developed in 1932. It is not widely planted. An early ripening variety that does not carry a heavy crop and produces quite strong, spicey flavours. It has low disease resistance.

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RED VARIETIES

Dornfelder
Helfensteiner x Heroldrebe
Created in Germany in 1955, the product of a long process of vine breeding. Helfensteiner is early Pinot Noir x Black Hamburger and Heroldrebe is Portugieser x Limburger.
The wine is notable for its colour and good acidity and grows well in the UK, having been introduced in the 1980's. In Germany it is quite widely grown and capable of producing some very fine wines. Over here it is one of the grapes that shows that good red wine can be made in the U.K. Wines are usually fresh and fruity more like Syrah or Gamay than Cabernet Sauvignon.

Dunkelfelder
Unknown parentage
First appeared in UK in mid-1980's. Few varietal wines are made from it. Its strong point is deep colour, which is useful when blended in with other grapes. Dunkelfelder has fairly low vigour and does not usually run to large crops. On its own, the wine is fairly neutral with low acidity and is best blended with other red varieties.

Pinot Meunier
A black grape now planted as an essential constituent of the finest sparkling wines, along with Chardonnay and Pinot Noir, as in Champagne and many other sparkling wine regions. Although it has been grown for over 40 years in the UK (it has been referred to as Wrotham Pinot over here), it has never shone as a variety capable of making interesting wine as a single variety.

Pinot Noir
One of the most ancient and noble of all grape varieties. It is the classic grape for red Burgundy but is also an important element of sparkling wines in England. It is at home in the English climate and in good years some excellent quality red wines have been made with this grape. It takes new oak well.

Regent
Hybrid. (Silvaner x Müller-Thurgau) x Chambourcin
Another one of the new generation of hybrid varieties bred for wine quality and disease resistance. It is a relatively new introduction to the UK, and those wines produced have shown real promise, with low acidity, high sugar levels and good yields.

Rondo
Hybrid. Saperavi Servernyi x St Laurent
Originally just named Gm 6494/5 this hybrid vine has very different parentage from Regent but some similar characteristics. It has adapted to UK conditions very well and plantings have been increasing since was first planted in 1983. Rondo produces wines with very good colour and style and overtones of classic red varieties. It blends well with other varieties (such as Dornfelder and Pinot Noir) and can be likened to a cross between Tempranillo and Syrah.

Triomphe
Was known as Triomphe d'Alsace, and initially quite a popular grape in this country. It yields well and ripens early but it has low disease resistance. It has low acidity and high sugar levels and may be superseded by other more recently bred vines.

http://www.englishwineproducers.com/grapes.htm

[me]

What's yer point.  There was a period of time when it was too cold now it's not.....The weather has warmed and cooled over the years in varying degrees. 

[The Troll]

They can't grow grapes in England...........................................................can they? Huh? Really?

Help me out here.

  Years ago in England they couldn't raise tomatoes outside.  Because the soil temperature would not get high enough for the tomatoes to fruit.  Tomatoes like warm feet (roots)  They had acres and acres of hot houses.

  Then some smart person got the idea of having raised beds which warmed the soil temperature and they could grow tomatoes outside.

  Do English grapes have raised beds? hunnnnnnnn?

[LOsborne]

That must be one of those history books that got "changed."

[Mr442]

"Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine.
When you gonna let me get sober?
Leave me alone, let me go home,
let me go home and start over."

Now we have that song in everyones head.

[Bo D]

That must be one of those history books that got "changed."

What has "changed" is me's story. She once posted one of her viral e-mails railing against the concept of global warming. In it she claimed that the Earth isn't warming up at all since "they can't grow grapes in England."

I see that now she is trying to spin.

She's kinda wobbly, don't you think?

[me]

What has "changed" is me's story. She once posted one of her viral e-mails railing against the concept of global warming. In it she claimed that the Earth isn't warming up at all since "they can't grow grapes in England."

I see that now she is trying to spin.

She's kinda wobbly, don't you think?

I made a comment I did not post an email.  I never got an email about grapes in England. 

[Palehorse]

You need to increase velocity. . .you are indeed wobbly!

[Bo D]

I made a comment I did not post an email.  I never got an email about grapes in England. 

Even worse. Does that mean you came to that conclusion all on your own?

Sheesh! You are wobbly! You know what makes spinning objects wobbly? An imbalance of weight. Ever think about redistributing some of that weight you lost between your ears?

[me]

Even worse. Does that mean you came to that conclusion all on your own?

Sheesh! You are wobbly! You know what makes spinning objects wobbly? An imbalance of weight. Ever think about redistributing some of that weight you lost between your ears?

Can you not read?

Quote

    With the coming cooler climate in the 1400's, temperatures became too cold for grape production and the vineyards in southern England gradually declined.

http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html