Burqa ban passes French lower house overwhelmingly

[followsthewolf]

Relax Wolfie, they're just profiling! 

I know.

Sometimes I can't help myself.

[LOsborne]

I bet they are French too! 

Not anymore.

[followsthewolf]

 

Good on ya, Lolly.

[Palehorse]

Not anymore.

Careful! You'll get yourself lumped into the bag of tricks with the NBPP, by the Central Scrutinizer! 

[LOsborne]

  But it still remains in my mind that several years a go when the Palestinians and the the Israel's had a cease fire and they opened their borders a woman dress in a burqa.

I found two possibilities:

This one in 1970

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_massacre

and this one in 2003

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmuel_HaNavi_bus_bombing

Neither involved anyone in a burqa, but the Shmuel HaNavi bomber disguised himself as a Haredi Jew, so maybe that's what you were thinking of.

Still, no burqas. I understand the point you were making, but muddying up the truth makes it possible for people to say everything you post is false. I'm not being snotty. I'm saying "be more careful."

[LOsborne]

...by the Central Scrutinizer! 

It isn't former Handicapper General Diana Moon Glampers, is it?

[Sandy Eggo]

I know.

Sometimes I can't help myself.

Please don't help yourself...or do help yourself...er...ummm...I think you know what I mean.

I understand.

[Palehorse]

It isn't former Handicapper General Diana Moon Glampers, is it?

The identity of the CS is not known, but its agents are everywhere on the internet. Dina MoeHumm was a name I heard associated with the position, but I have never been able to independently confirm that. . .

[The Troll]

I found two possibilities:

This one in 1970

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_massacre

and this one in 2003

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmuel_HaNavi_bus_bombing

Neither involved anyone in a burqa, but the Shmuel HaNavi bomber disguised himself as a Haredi Jew, so maybe that's what you were thinking of.

Still, no burqas. I understand the point you were making, but muddying up the truth makes it possible for people to say everything you post is false. I'm not being snotty. I'm saying "be more careful."

  Maybe I wrong, it seemed to be a clear memory.   Oh well, its water over the damn.  But you don't the hatered I feel for these cowardly bastard bombing Innocent people.  Kill them all and let God choose the good ones.

  But to change the subject, my daughter in law is working for the second largest retailer under Walmart.  Well, they hired a young 18 year old girl and the store manager (female) was telling how much her and her boy friend was having and ask her if would like a threesome.  This is the first job this girl has had.  She told here district manager that she was sexual hurassed and he told her, that her job was safe.  Well, he didn't do anything.  She thinking of filing a complaint with human resources.  What should she do.

[LOsborne]

   What should she do.

Oh geez, don't get me started. First of all, she needs to decline the invitation, publicly if possible. That should pretty much do it. Right now you've got a "she said/she said" situation, and pursuing it will only make a bunch of drama where it isn't needed. If the girl is old enough to work, she is old enough to say "leave me alone." On the off-chance the invitations continue, she can ask for a note to be dated and put in her employee jacket.

Your friend hasn't been harassed. She was "invited," much as if the woman had said, "my boyfriend and I are going for a beer after work. ya wanna come?' and the girl said, "no, I don't drink." If the supervisor now begins to make fun of your friend for not drinking, to pressure her (particularly if she implies it's a condition of employment) to try just one beer -- then it's harassment.

Now, before the girl starts counting her settlement, let me caution you; the only thing the company is obligated to do is make the harassment stop. They are not obligated to fire the supervisor, or to pay anybody any money. Just make it stop.

Okay?

I get really tired of these kind of "he offended me" complaints. I tell the complainants exactly what I suggested you say to the girl -- tell him to quit it.

[me]

Oh geez, don't get me started. First of all, she needs to decline the invitation, publicly if possible. That should pretty much do it. Right now you've got a "she said/she said" situation, and pursuing it will only make a bunch of drama where it isn't needed. If the girl is old enough to work, she is old enough to say "leave me alone." On the off-chance the invitations continue, she can ask for a note to be dated and put in her employee jacket.

Your friend hasn't been harassed. She was "invited," much as if the woman had said, "my boyfriend and I are going for a beer after work. ya wanna come?' and the girl said, "no, I don't drink." If the supervisor now begins to make fun of your friend for not drinking, to pressure her (particularly if she implies it's a condition of employment) to try just one beer -- then it's harassment.

Now, before the girl starts counting her settlement, let me caution you; the only thing the company is obligated to do is make the harassment stop. They are not obligated to fire the supervisor, or to pay anybody any money. Just make it stop.

Okay?

I get really tired of these kind of "he offended me" complaints. I tell the complainants exactly what I suggested you say to the girl -- tell him to quit it.

Thanks Lolly.  That is what I wanted to say but figured I'd catch hell from 50 different directions. 

[The Troll]

 
  The message was sent to her, now we will see what happens.  Told her she was a big girl now and she had to grow up.  She was in big girl world now.

  Thanks, Lolly.

[Sandy Eggo]

 
  The message was sent to her, now we will see what happens.  Told her she was a big girl now and she had to grow up.  She was in big girl world now.

  Thanks, Lolly.

Growing up is over-rated and it stinks, but we've all had to do it. I think in this case and similar ones, Lolly is exactly right.

I'm hijacking the thread, but I recall years ago, in another life, I was told to reprimand an employee for kissing his significant other goodbye in front of the business. I had observed it and we're not talking about heated passsion here.  We're talking a quick peck, I love you, have a great day kinda thing. The other employees were offended because his significant other was a he. So, rather than reprimand the employee, I added a policy to the employee handbook. No PDA in the business or parking lot. When I passed the policy around to the employees, they all grumbled. What? So, the rules should be different? Nope. 

[LOsborne]

Glad to hear your input, Sandy. Ya know, when I first started in HR (sometime before the Punic Wars) I discovered a certain percentage of employees think my function is to listen to them tattle. I started telling them, "I'm not your mother." I said it so often, one of my staff worked it in needlepoint for me a few Christmases ago. I hangs in my office -- along with my "Just another old hippie now working for the establishment," and my "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons. For you are crunchy. And good with ketchup!" plaques.

Now, can someone tell me how to handle the Gen-Yer's who think they need an "attaboy" and a raise any time they do their jobs correctly?