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Started by Sandy Eggo, July 06, 2010, 07:32:07 PM

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LOsborne

#15
July 07, 2010, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 07, 2010, 08:29:36 PM
I have a backup plan should they come back...

Why not offer them a free sample of that chupacabra repellent we were discussing?

Palehorse

#16
July 07, 2010, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: LOsborne on July 07, 2010, 08:32:30 PM
Why not offer them a free sample of that chupacabra repellent we were discussing?

Now thats a thought worth pursuing!  :yes: :angel:

I could keep a few cold ones and some boiled eggs on hand and start wolfing them down when we spot them.  :biggrin:
Chase them with a few rectum rockets and it will be killer!  :biggrin:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

#17
July 07, 2010, 10:31:07 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 07, 2010, 08:29:36 PM
I have a backup plan should they come back: I am going to ask them to come dance naked by the light of the next full moon around a bonfire, with all my neighbors. . .  :biggrin: Fornication is mandatory. . .  :biggrin:

  What does one have to do the get invited to one of your parties.  Wow! :thumbsup:

Sandy Eggo

#18
July 07, 2010, 10:42:00 PM
:biggrin:

The last time someone knocked on my door, it was the Jehovah's Witness. I told them that I'd rather discuss a religion which offered the "hell option". They left.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

The Troll

#19
July 08, 2010, 08:51:31 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 07, 2010, 10:42:00 PM
:biggrin:

The last time someone knocked on my door, it was the Jehovah's Witness. I told them that I'd rather discuss a religion which offered the "hell option". They left.

  The last time I had a run with the Jehovah Witness, was when two women came to my door and was asking for money to send kids to summer camp.  I asked them if other kids could go to church camp if they weren't Jehovah Witness's.  They said, No.  I said that I was an Atheist and if they wouldn't let my kid go, why would I give them money.  They gave me an  "About Face" and left my door.

Henry Hawk

#20
July 08, 2010, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 07, 2010, 05:48:30 PM
This point was made in my video. How can you use the book you're trying to prove, as proof. You can't.  The fact that someone had the nerve to call the video "scientific proof" made me laugh out loud. What the bible says and how it's interpreted isn't any different than the work of Nostradamus or how it was interpreted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus

Which one is more factual? It depends on perspective and interpretation.

YOUR point was made in YOUR video...Sandy, the old testament is well documented...IF, you "choose" not to believe the content is fine, but the Torah is real, and it's writtings have prophecies...NOW again, I don't care if you do not believe in it or not, but there IS some astounding facts that have come to light, based upon some very profound studies of it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

#21
July 08, 2010, 12:41:37 PM
So, by your "logic" Nostradamas and Stephen King are prophets?
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Palehorse

#22
July 08, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2010, 12:31:49 PM
YOUR point was made in YOUR video...Sandy, the old testament is well documented...IF, you "choose" not to believe the content is fine, but the Torah is real, and it's writtings have prophecies...NOW again, I don't care if you do not believe in it or not, but there IS some astounding facts that have come to light, based upon some very profound studies of it.

Well if it is "so well documented", how about providing an example or two?

R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

followsthewolf

#23
July 08, 2010, 12:58:42 PM
Ya make enough prophecies, some are bound to come true.

We just don't hear about what doesn't come true.

Bet the latter is a bit more than the former.
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Henry Hawk

#24
July 08, 2010, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 08, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
Well if it is "so well documented", how about providing an example or two?



dead sea scrolls for one...(which have several books that re in the Holy Bible...)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#25
July 08, 2010, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 08, 2010, 12:58:42 PM
Ya make enough prophecies, some are bound to come true.

We just don't hear about what doesn't come true.

Bet the latter is a bit more than the former.

can't arugue with that logic at all....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

#26
July 08, 2010, 01:12:26 PM
Yes and add in ambiguity and a dollup specious reasoning and anything is possible...
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Henry Hawk

#27
July 08, 2010, 01:32:37 PM
and with all due respect, I am going to kindly step out of this thread....because NOTHING either of us can say will change anything....sharing the gospel with an interested person is one thing....arguing and debating with them is another....disagreeing and trying to understand one can be a great thing....but, arguing about the truth, and in my case, the truth is Jesus,......it is not a good thing to do, and is it just not necessary, imo..... ;) :)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

#28
July 08, 2010, 01:33:44 PM
According to scholars, the Old Testament was written over the course of a number of centuries, between 1400 B.C and 400 B.C.  The sources for it are the subject of discussion amongst them however, with some attributing the 1st five books to Moses, and Genesis being attributed to Abraham and being edited and rewritten by Moses.

The discovery of tablets containing these works, in the 20th century, support that Abraham may have indeed been the author, because modern dating supports them being created during Abraham's life after his birth in 2161 B.C. This "tablet theory" is supported by some scholars in order to explain the toledoth phrases found in a number of passages within Genesis.

Other scholars attribute the start of the Old Testament to King Josiah of Judah during the 7th century BCE, when an anonymous source now known as the Deuteronomist collected writings from sources like the Yahwists and Elohists, then added his own materials as well before providing them to the King.  This collection of writings then became known as the Pentateuch, as it was named by the Redactor

Over the ensuing centuries up to the third century BCE other works were added to it and in 90 CE the Council of Jamnia selected from this collection of writings, those "books" it considered worthy of inclusion within the Hebrew Bible, which is what is called the Old Testament today.

Many of the Old Testament "prophecies" are said to be fulfilled and supporters utilize New Testament passages to support this position. The New Testament was written for the most part between 45AD and 96AD, and the testament was not canonized until the 4th century AD, and has remained unchanged since then. . .

Makes one wonder just how much of the NT was written with an eye toward achievement of fulfillment!
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

#29
July 08, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
   With all of that prophesies, nothing can be found of antibiotics, sewer systems which probably save more live than any other invention.  Trains, people flying, automobiles, atomic power, electricity and modern medicine.  It doesn't say one thing about germs.

  But what is amazing is when  you pin down a really religious person and they know they are talking to some really smart people, they say, oh I don't want to even to talk to you about it, because it WON'T CHANGE YOUR MIND.  They know that any senseable person would think they were talking about smoke, mirrors and magic.
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