Christianity Debate

[Sandy Eggo]

With the flourish, in recent years, of popular and widely accessible debates on this subject, the arguments coming from the theistic side have very quickly become predictable, stale, old, and even less convincing than they may have been the first time they were used.

This debate has to change. Theists - when all of your arguments have been debunked, and you keep spouting them anyway, congratulations - you're not convincing anyone except the credulous and weak minded. Are you proud of that?

I've often thought of opening up a second channel on youtube, on which I could engage in some debates with other users, but every time I ponder the idea I realise that 90% of the time I'd just be bringing people up to speed on what has already been answered a million times in the past. Screw that.

The way I see it, this debate ended a few decades ago. Everything that had been brought to the table then is what we're still seeing being brought to the table now. What we "new" or "affirmative" atheists are doing is trying to knock some nails into the coffin so that this whole thing can be put to rest in what Sam Harris so eloquently calls "the vast graveyard of mythology".

Theists - you simply must educate yourself before you go opening your mouth about all these tired old topics. Evolution. 20th century killers. The U.S. constitution. Atheism and atheists, and what it actually is that they DON'T believe. When you spout them- you get knocked down by the sheer force of facts. When you spout them and then get corrected and shown convincingly that your argument is in fact false, --- and then spout them again - I'm lost for words. Where is the virtue in that? Where? How can you be proud of that? How can you support others whom you see doing that?

I just simply, truly, and sincerely don't understand why christian theists aren't red with embarrassment that in these debates, their side so constantly and obviously relies on misinformation, falsehood and ignorance. How many times does one need to be told that 2 + 2 = 4 before they will stop insisting that it = 7?
I. Just. Do. Not. Understand. This. Situation.

Why. WHY!?!?!?

Of course not all christians are like this. And not even all of the christians who engage in debate are like this. To those sensible christians, I have this to say:
Why not join us in criticizing intellectual dishonesty like this even when it comes from your side? People who knowingly proclaim falsehoods from the podium (or pulpit) are not doing your side any favors in regards to spreading your message or enhancing your side's credibility (which is, you might have noticed, in crisis). People who do it are a liability to you.
One commenter suggested that I should have revealed at the end of the video that the moderator was in fact a christian, concerned with honesty and veracity. I wish I had included that. It would have made the video a hundred times better, but alas - 'tis too late.

'Tis not too late for you, though. Please join us, for everyone's sake, in insisting that debates like this come to be characterized by honesty and intellectual integrity. In what other field of human endeavor or discourse does willful ignorance take center stage so consistently?

Right-wing lunatics - get over this paranoia about socialism. And perhaps educate yourself even slightly about what socialism is and means. If you do, you might find that it has not very much at all to do with Democrats and Barack Obama - - - certainly not as much to do with THEM as it has to do with Jesus Christ.
Right-wing paranoia over socialism is an insult to the memory of the people who died in actual socialist societies due to actual socialist policies.

Fascinating and well worth the ten minutes to view. I hope there is a 'debate' over this one

[The Troll]

  After watching what a poor ass job God (if he existed) has done with this world and how he has treated his people, if he exist, he needs to be fiired.

  Anyone who can believe all of the smoke, mirrors, holy water and B.S. the false religious leaders has put out as  the truth.  Has to have a loose wire.

[Henry Hawk]

I have as a general rule NOT to get caught in arguements about Christianity or God...but here is a video, about 6 minutes long if you care to watch, that in my opinion, does a very nice job at explaining the existence of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIS6cHowt3s

[Sandy Eggo]

This point was made in my video. How can you use the book you're trying to prove, as proof. You can't.  The fact that someone had the nerve to call the video "scientific proof" made me laugh out loud. What the bible says and how it's interpreted isn't any different than the work of Nostradamus or how it was interpreted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus

Which one is more factual? It depends on perspective and interpretation.

[Palehorse]

Using the Christianity method, vampires, werewolves, and non-terristrial life forms are real and Stephen Kings works are the proof! 

[LOsborne]

My favorite argument for the existence of God is called the "Northwestern Proof." In 1996, Northwestern University won the Big Ten conference and went to the Rose Bowl.

[Palehorse]

My favorite argument for the existence of God is called the "Northwestern Proof." In 1996, Northwestern University won the Big Ten conference and went to the Rose Bowl.

[The Troll]

   I am so feed up with these born again Christian and the other zealots following any religion.  Especially the ones who try to cram their religion down other people throats.  Sticking their noses in our bed rooms, sex lives and preference and trying to get law and the government to back them up.

  These people are always screaming about their freedoms, but want to take a woman freedom to control her body.  But another thing, that pisses me off they want to prove all of the claim with a bible.  Like it the exact word and work of God.  Bullshit.

  To sum what I real think of religion, George Carlin really sums it up exactally.  Goggle this in and see what he has  to say.  He has hit the nail of the head when it comes to religion.

   Goggle in    ( George Carlin on religion and god. )

   Goggle in    ( George Carlin ~ Religion is bullshit. )

[Palehorse]

The LDS's came a knockin' on the 4th of July. I sent them packing by telling them I am a satanist! 

[me]

The LDS's came a knockin' on the 4th of July. I sent them packing by telling them I am a satanist! 

Thanks for the tip PH.  Tellin' 'em yer a Catholic, I'm not btw, doesn't seem to work anymore.

[LOsborne]

I always ask them to come back on Wednesday evening, because that's when the coven meets. No takers so far.

[followsthewolf]

Inviting them to the ritual goat sacrifice at midnight on Saturday usually does it, too.

[Anne]

My favorite argument for the existence of God is called the "Northwestern Proof." In 1996, Northwestern University won the Big Ten conference and went to the Rose Bowl.

And I thought it was when the Mets won the 1986 (?) World Series. Silly me.

[The Troll]

The LDS's came a knockin' on the 4th of July. I sent them packing by telling them I am a satanist! 

  No, No, No say you didn't do it.  About 2 years ago they came a knocking and I gave a great big smile and said Ladies I don't give a damn about religion and especially  yours, "I'm an Atheist.  They quickly stepped back and I haven't seen anymore since.

[Palehorse]

  No, No, No say you didn't do it.  About 2 years ago they came a knocking and I gave a great big smile and said Ladies I don't give a damn about religion and especially  yours, "I'm an Atheist.  They quickly stepped back and I haven't seen anymore since.

I have a backup plan should they come back: I am going to ask them to come dance naked by the light of the next full moon around a bonfire, with all my neighbors. . .  Fornication is mandatory. . .