Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

[Henry Hawk]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I knew that would get ya!

[The Troll]

I think that is a stretch..........it was nice that he is decent enough to give Obama some due credit.....That is the way Conservatives roll.......we are honest.

  Oh boy,   When I read this little jewel from Henry's coin purse I said,  SHIIIIIIIIIIIT!    That was a good one Henry. 

[The Troll]

  Right this minute I have got the television on watching Mitt standing in front of an audience taking in their cereal and canned good in and taking credit for giving aid to the Sandy victims.

  He surly wasn't campaigning in Ohio, but that was where he was.  Not Campaigning.     Would this boy lie about something like this. 

  Why don't the super rich SOB just write a big check to the Salvation Army where the money will be spent well.  Not to the Red Cross where they pay their CEO $652,000 plus expenses.  Have you noticed how Mitt can send and use other people's money and good will.   I guess you can't beat Mormon charity.    If I didn't laugh, I'd cry about this rich cheap ass.   

[Palehorse]

With Ohio's 18 electoral votes very much in play, the Mitt Romney campaign aims to blunt one of Barack Obama's key advantages in that state -- his rescue of the auto industry. The carmakers account for about one out of eight jobs there, and many Ohio assembly line workers are backing Obama for a second term.

The Romney campaign has produced a controversial ad that argues Romney would be better for the auto industry than Obama. In the ad, an announcer says, "Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job." Images of cars being crushed accompany those words.

The not-so-subtle message is that American workers have suffered from the Chrysler deal. In this fact check, we examine whether the sale of Chrysler came at the cost of American jobs.

How Fiat got Chrysler

By early 2008, it was clear that GM and Chrysler were teetering. Both firms had huge debts and high costs. The recession had slowed car sales to a trickle. Chrysler's owner, Cerberus Capital Management, was hunting for a buyer and had been talking to Italian carmaker Fiat. In late 2008, President George W. Bush approved billion dollar loans to the companies to keep them afloat.

On Jan. 20, 2009, the day Obama took the oath of office, Fiat announced it was interested in buying Chrysler. Obama created an auto task force and in March, the task force told Chrysler to cut a deal with Fiat or be cut off from further government loans. In early April, Chrysler filed for bankruptcy and at the same time, announced an alliance with Fiat.

By the end of April, the terms of the deal were complete and by June, it was finalized. Cerberus Capital had lost its stake, and Fiat held 20 percent of the new Chrysler and had full operational control.

Steve Rattner, chair of the president's auto task force, said Fiat was essential to Chrysler's survival.

"If we had been unable to strike this arrangement with Fiat, I believe that we would have allowed Chrysler to liquidate. So it was a great outcome for all concerned," Rattner said.

Aaron Bragman, a senior analyst with IHS Automotive, a financial research group, said the government couldn't sell Chrysler because it never owned it. In fact, the auto industry and Chrysler were in such bad shape, this wasn't a sale at all in the conventional sense.

"Fiat paid nothing for Chrysler," Bragman said, but "they poured MASSIVE resources into the company, such as design help, executive staff and personnel, joint development, engine technology, all sorts of non-cash things that helped Chrysler recover considerably."

Chrysler is now profitable. Laid-off union workers have been rehired, and the company is adding new personnel.

Fiat, Jeeps, and China

When Fiat got Chrysler, it got Jeep. Right before the ad came out, Romney told a crowd in Defiance, Ohio, that plans were afoot to shift the Jeep jobs in Ohio to China.

"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep — now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China," Romney said.

Romney had been working off an article from Bloomberg News about Fiat's discussions to start making Jeeps again in China. The old Chrysler had assembly plants in China, but they had been idle since 2009.

Romney's words drew an immediate and firm denial from Chrysler headquarters. "Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China," the statement said. "A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments."

Bragman, the auto analyst, said Romney's notion that expansion in China comes at a cost to American workers runs counter to the facts. Chrysler's Toledo plant is running at full capacity, and its Detroit plant is at three shifts. Chrysler is building cars in the United States for sale here.

The production of cars in China is a sign of Chrysler's growing strength in overseas markets. It would like to build Jeeps in China to sell in China. It is not outsourcing American auto jobs.

"I'm astonished that more people aren't thrilled by the fact that an American company on the brink of literal oblivion has come back strong enough to now once again be making and selling its products in the hottest auto market in the world," Bragman said. "It is a phenomenal success story, quite frankly, and one that has sadly been bizarrely twisted out of shape for political expediency."

Our ruling

The Romney campaign ad says Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China" at the cost of American jobs. The ad leaves the clear impression that Jeeps built in China come at the expense of American workers.

The ad miscasts the government's role in Fiat's acquisition of Chrysler, and it misrepresents the outcome. Chrysler's owners had been trying to sell to Italy-based Fiat before Obama took office. The ad ignores the return of American jobs to Chrysler Jeep plants in the United States, and it presents the manufacture of Jeeps in China as a threat, rather than an opportunity to sell cars made in China to Chinese consumers. It strings together facts in a way that presents an wholly inaccurate picture.

We rate the statement Pants on Fire!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/30/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-obama-chrysler-sold-italians-china-ame/

[Palehorse]

With jobs and other pocketbook issues the top concerns for most voters, the Mitt Romney campaign has been running ads that warn about rising taxes for the middle class if Barack Obama is re-elected.

In a television ad called "Putting jobs first", a video clip shows Mitt Romney speaking during the Denver debate. Romney says "I'm not going to raise taxes on anyone." As he says that, these words appear on the screen: "Under President Obama: $4,000 tax hike on middle class families."

The ad doesn't say when this tax hike will take place or point to any plan from Obama to raise taxes on the middle class. In this fact-check, we'll explore the roots of this claim and whether it's what the middle class can reasonably expect from a second Obama term.

The ad references a study from the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. The study focuses on the national debt, and in particular, on the payments needed to cover the interest on that debt. What the authors, Matt Jensen and Aspen Gorry, try to do is figure out how those payments might be spread across different income groups.

The $4,000 figure comes from the results for households making between $100,000 and $200,000 a year. The study found that interest payments on the new debt added in Obama's first term equal $1,600 for this group. It then takes the president's 2013 budget plan and projects it out to 2022. It calculates that the added payments during this period would total $2,400. Add the two and you get the number in the ad, about $4,000.

There's only one problem with saying the study describes a tax hike: It doesn't. It describes a cost that must be paid, but that is entirely separate from the question of how it is paid, by whom and when. We'll get into some of the details in just a bit.

A quick way to see the gap between the study and reality is to look at the $1,600 figure for Obama's first term. By the logic of the Romney campaign, these households already would have seen an increase in their tax bills by that amount. In reality, those families enjoyed a variety of tax breaks during that period, from lower payroll taxes to tax credits for college tuition.

The ad also puts responsibility for the whole $1,600 amount on Obama. As PolitiFact has shown, even with full accounting for the cost of the stimulus, the rising debt stems in part from policies that predate Obama, such as the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the economic recession that began before he took office.

Let us note, none of this is a criticism of the study. One of the authorities on economic modeling is economist Alan Auerbach at the University of California Berkeley. The study's lead author, Matt Jensen, cites Auerbach. We asked Auerbach what he thought of the study.

"I don't see any obvious flaws in the way the calculations are done," Auerbach said. But he also called the work "hypothetical".

The Romney campaign took an analytic exercise and presented it as concrete reality.

This shift shows up in the different words used by the American Enterprise Institute and the campaign. The headline on the institute's web site is "Obama's big budget deficits could mean a $4,000 a year middle-class tax hike."  The operative word is "could". The Romney campaign web site is less restrained. It says the cost of the debt under Obama "would require an additional $2,500 in taxes."

More reasons to be cautious with the study

One of the study's assumptions is that tax revenues will cover future deficits. That drew a criticism from Jason Peuquet, research director with the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a group that favors strong efforts to reduce deficits.  Peuquet calls the study a useful exercise but says its approach is too narrow.

"It only looks at the tax side of the equation," Peuquet said. "In reality higher debt could mean much lower spending on certain programs. Including spending in the equation could produce very different distributional outcomes from these illustrative scenarios."

William Gale, a Brookings Institution economist who worked in the first Bush White House, expands on that point. Obama "might cut spending, he might raise taxes differently than the study's assumptions, he might let the debt ride," Gale said. In short, the study is not a prediction of the future.

Our colleagues at Factcheck.org have noted that deficits would continue to rise under the House Republican budget plan championed by Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan. In their fact-check, they fault the Romney campaign for glossing over that Republicans too would add to the portion of taxes that would need to go to service the debt. The increase under the GOP plan would be much less than under Obama but it would still be an increase.

Our ruling

The Romney campaign ad says Obama's policies are a $4,000 tax hike on the middle class. But their evidence is a study from the American Enterprise Institute that looks at public debt.

The campaign makes a giant leap when it assumes the debt will be serviced with increased taxes on all income levels and in the time frame it suggests. We actually don't know how the tax code will spread around the pain of paying for the debt; right now, Obama is proposing tax increases only on higher income households.

Finally, we should point out that debt payments would rise even if Romney wins the presidency. If you accept the ad's logic, then you'd have to accept that Romney too plans tax increases for the middle class.

The campaign distorts the meaning of the study to score political points. We rate this statement Pants on Fire.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/26/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-plans-4000-tax-hike-middle-class/

[Palehorse]

he notion that President Barack Obama started his presidency with an "apology tour" is a persistent and false Republican talking point that we have debunked a number of times.

Mitt Romney is sticking to it.

The Republican presidential nominee repeated it during his second debate against Obama at Hofstra University on Oct. 16, 2012, in response to an audience member's question about the September 2012 Libya attack.

"The president's policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour and pursue a strategy of leading from behind, and this strategy is unraveling before our very eyes," he said.

We checked Romney's "apology" attack when he used it at the Republican National Convention and in his 2010 book, No Apology: The Case for American Greatness.

The tour, he wrote, is Obama's way "of signaling to foreign countries and foreign leaders that their dislike for America is something he understands and that is, at least in part, understandable. There are anti-American fires burning all across the globe; President Obama's words are like kindling to them."

"In his first nine months in office, President Obama has issued apologies and criticisms of America in speeches in France, England, Turkey, and Cairo; at the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, the National Archives in Washington, D.C., and the United Nations in New York City. He has apologized for what he deems to be American arrogance, dismissiveness, and derision; for dictating solutions, for acting unilaterally, and for acting without regard for others; for treating other countries as mere proxies, for unjustly interfering in the internal affairs of other nations, and for feeding anti-Muslim sentiments; for committing torture, for dragging our feet on global warming and for selectively promoting democracy."

An early apology tour?

Romney labels seven separate Obama speeches as apologies in his book. (We've compiled those passages in a separate document.) We noticed Obama tended to acknowledge American mistakes or bad impressions, but he countered it with praise of American ideals and the need to come together.

At a town hall meeting in France in 2009, for example, Obama encouraged Europe to work with the United States, and admitted that the United States "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive." But he immediately said that Europe has been guilty of a "casual" and "insidious" anti-Americanism.

At a major address to the United Nations, Obama said, "I took office at a time when many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust. Part of this was due to misperceptions and misinformation about my country. Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies, and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. And this has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for collective inaction."

At a speech in Cairo on relations between the U.S. and the Islamic world, Obama got very close to regretting decades-old U.S. actions in Iran. But then he immediately countered with criticism of Iran. He suggested both countries simply "move forward."

Throughout those speeches, Obama was most conciliatory when talking about torture and detention at the U.S. military installation at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Obama typically said the U.S. must always stay true to its ideals, and that's why he "unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year."

Apologies or diplomacy?

We asked several experts in 2010 if Obama had apologized. Here's a recap of their thoughts (read more here):

• Nile Gardiner, a foreign policy analyst with the the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Obama was definitely apologizing. He co-wrote an analysis on the topic: "Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower."

"Apologizing for your own country projects an image of weakness before both allies and enemies," Gardiner said. "It sends a very clear signal that the U.S. is to blame for some major developments on the world stage. This can be used to the advantage of those who wish to undermine American global leadership."

• John Murphy, a communications professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, studies presidential rhetoric and political language. He said Obama used conciliatory language for diplomatic purposes, not apologizing.

"It's much more a sense of establishing of reciprocity," Murphy said. "Each side says, okay, we haven't done great, but we have a new president and we're going to make a fresh start and move forward. I don't think that's an apology."

• Lauren Bloom, an attorney and business consultant, wrote the book, The Art of the Apology, advising businesses and individuals on when to apologize and how to do it.

She said Obama's words fell short of an apology, mostly because he didn't use the words "sorry" or "regret." "I think to make an effective apology, the words 'I'm sorry' or 'we're sorry' always have to be there," Bloom said.

Obama's remarks were really non-apologies, and they're not good in business or personal relationships, Bloom said. The one area where they can be useful: international diplomacy.

"Gov. Romney is trying to appeal to the inner John Wayne of his readers, and that has a certain emotional appeal," Bloom said. "For the rest of us, a level assessment of less-than-perfect human behavior is perfectly reasonable."

• We spoke with Rhoda E. Howard-Hassmann, a professor who tracked international human rights issues via the website Political Apologies and Reparations. Many of the apologies in the database relate to genocide or slavery.

"To say the United States will not torture is not an apology, it is a statement of intent," Howard-Hassman said. "A complete apology has to acknowledge something was wrong, accept responsibility, express sorrow or regret and promise not to repeat it."

Obama's Cairo address in particular was a means of reaching out to the Islamic world, not an acknowledgement of wrongdoing, she said.

"Whether he's apologizing or not, he's saying 'I respect your society and I respect your customs.' Maybe that's what Romney considers an apology, that gesture of respect," she said. "But a gesture of respect is not an apology."

We should note that Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have offered two apologies to foreign leaders during the latter half of Obama's term -- once to Afghanistan President Harmid Karzai for the accidental burnings of the Quran, the holy book of Islam, and another to Pakistan for the death of Pakistani troops, respectively. However, these 2012 and 2011 gestures do not fit Romney's claim that Obama's presidency "began with an apology tour."

Our ruling

Once again, Romney has accused Obama of beginning his presidency "with an apology tour."

Our reviews of Obama's 2009 foreign travels and speeches showed no such thing. While he criticized past U.S. actions, such as torture practices at Guantanamo, he did not offer one  apology.

It's ridiculous to call Obama's foreign visits and remarks "an apology tour." We rate this statement Pants on Fire!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/17/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-began/

[Palehorse]

3 blatant lies in 3 weeks. . . How can anybody even entertain the thought that it will be any different should he be elected?

Romney-occhio he is! 

[The Troll]

  If Romney will like about this Jeep deal when the truth is so easy to find, how could anyone especially the Republican Sheeple trust him. 

  But, for years the Republicans have cried about how secret the Obama White House is.  Can you imagine how secret a Romney White House would be.    He keeps his tax records secret, he keep his Mormon Religion secret, he has kept his budget secret, he has kept what tax loopholes he would remove secret.  But when you live lie and are a liar you just got to keep everything secret.     And he kept secret how he felt about having to take Lying Ryan as his vice president.  

  But all of Romney's campaign is, is his words.  Trust me I know how to lead.                                

                                                                     It's all bull shit!

                                                                     

[Henry Hawk]

3 blatant lies in 3 weeks. . . How can anybody even entertain the thought that it will be any different should he be elected?

Romney-occhio he is! 

Yeah bullsh!t........Obama is much, much worse.....

"The sequester is not something that I've proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed."
Politifact.com

"Mitt Romney raised nursing home fees eight times."
Politifact.com

"Mitt Romney called the Arizona law a model for the nation."
Politifact.com

"Planned Parenthood provides mammograms"
Spero News

"We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system"
cbsnews.com

Benghazi violence was caused by an internet video & demonstrations
State Department

"Mitt Romney Plans to fire Big Bird"
Politifact.com

"Under Gov. Romney's definition ... Donald Trump is a small business."
politifact.com

Because of Obamacare, "over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it's true — but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years."
politifact.com

"I think it's important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration"
abcnews.com

Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students.
Factcheck.org

My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
Factcheck.org

"I am told that Governor Romney's new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days," he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. "He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities."
House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

The American automobile industry has come roaring back...So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let's make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney ... invested in companies that were called 'pioneers' of outsourcing. I don't want to outsource. I want to insource.
Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing
Dems Rejected Jobs Bill
You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren't sold is not the problem
Gallup Poll: Only 69%

USA producing more oil than ever before
Petroleum Insights
Fence between US and Mexico is "Practically Complete"
Department of Homeland Security says 5%
Rich doesn't pay their fair share.
National Taxpayers Union
Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
Cnn Interview



and these are just a FEW of them........

so are we being a TAD hypcritical 

[Bo D]

Yeah bullsh!t........Obama is much, much worse.....



"I am told that Governor Romney's new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days," he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. "He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities."
House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

What is this? I thought we had this settled? Or do you think that if you repeat the lie often enough, it will become truth?

http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.msg446953;topicseen#msg446953

"Though a version of the farm bill passed the Senate, Republican leaders in the House chose not to hold a vote because of GOP opposition to farm subsidy and food stamp funding in the bill. Ryan is among the Republican leaders supporting cuts to food stamps."

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-asks-iowans-to-pressure-paul-ryan-on-farm-bill-131961.html

The damn bill NEVER PASSED IN THE HOUSE!!!!

[Palehorse]

Yeah bullsh!t........Obama is much, much worse.....

"The sequester is not something that I've proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed."
Politifact.com

"Mitt Romney raised nursing home fees eight times."
Politifact.com

"Mitt Romney called the Arizona law a model for the nation."
Politifact.com

"Planned Parenthood provides mammograms"
Spero News

"We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system"
cbsnews.com

Benghazi violence was caused by an internet video & demonstrations
State Department

"Mitt Romney Plans to fire Big Bird"
Politifact.com

"Under Gov. Romney's definition ... Donald Trump is a small business."
politifact.com

Because of Obamacare, "over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it's true — but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years."
politifact.com

"I think it's important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration"
abcnews.com

Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students.
Factcheck.org

My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
Factcheck.org

"I am told that Governor Romney's new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days," he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. "He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities."
House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

The American automobile industry has come roaring back...So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let's make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney ... invested in companies that were called 'pioneers' of outsourcing. I don't want to outsource. I want to insource.
Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing
Dems Rejected Jobs Bill
You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren't sold is not the problem
Gallup Poll: Only 69%

USA producing more oil than ever before
Petroleum Insights
Fence between US and Mexico is "Practically Complete"
Department of Homeland Security says 5%
Rich doesn't pay their fair share.
National Taxpayers Union
Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
Cnn Interview



and these are just a FEW of them........

so are we being a TAD hypcritical 

BULLSHIT yourself there bud. . . EVERY single one of the items you posted above from politifact are mostly or partially true. Spin much?  While every single one of the three facts I posted are not only blatant lies, but pants of fire lies! 

And there are more but I chose to stick with the last 3 weeks. . . 

Romney-occhio and Pants on Fire Ryan - A vote for them is a vote to end our nations future.

[Henry Hawk]

What is this? I thought we had this settled? Or do you think that if you repeat the lie often enough, it will become truth?

http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.msg446953;topicseen#msg446953

The damn bill NEVER PASSED IN THE HOUSE!!!!

Paul Ryan voted YES......http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll554.xml

[Palehorse]

During the first presidential debate in Denver, Mitt Romney took President Barack Obama to task for his record on the deficit.

"The president said he'd cut the deficit in half," Romney said. "Unfortunately, he doubled it."

We already ruled the first half of this statement True, noting that Obama said on Feb. 23, 2009, "Today I am pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office."

But what about Romney's second claim, that Obama "doubled" the deficit he inherited?

Romney is way off.

The final Congressional Budget Office baseline deficit projection before Obama took office -- noted in table 5 in this January 2009 CBO report -- showed a fiscal year 2009 deficit of $1.19 trillion.

That figure doesn't account for any of Obama's own spending initiatives, such as the stimulus bill. But the deficit grew quickly under Obama: The fiscal 2009 deficit rose to $1.41 trillion and has remained above $1 trillion annually ever since.

But compared to what Obama inherited, the annual deficit has gone down slightly. CBO projects that for fiscal 2012, which has just ended, the fiscal 2012 deficit will be $1.09 trillion.

So, far from doubling the deficit, Obama (along with, it should be noted, some Republican help in Congress) has instead reduced the deficit by about 8 percent.

The only way to get to doubling is to use a different starting point, which is what the Romney campaign does. His campaign compares the current deficit to the final fiscal 2008 deficit of $458.6 billion.

But we don't find that to be the correct starting point.

Romney was referring to a statement Obama made on Feb. 23, 2009, so the correct comparison would be the deficit at that point. The 2008 deficit covered a fiscal year that ended about four months before Obama took office -- and which was also a period of rapid economic deterioration that affected the scale of CBO's deficit projections. So CBO's January 2009 figure offers a much more accurate indication of what Obama "inherited" -- which, we should repeat, is the word Obama used in his broken promise of February 2009.

Romney would still have been off if he had said the federal debt, rather than deficit, had doubled on Obama's watch. The debt held by the public -- one of two key measures of federal debt -- rose from $6.3 trillion on Jan. 20, 2009, to $11.3 trillion on the day of the debate, an increase of 79 percent. The total federal debt, which includes debt the government holds itself, rose by a smaller amount over that period, 53 percent.

Our ruling

Romney said that Obama has "doubled" the deficit. In reality, using the most appropriate comparison, he and Congress have actually decreased the deficit slightly. We rate Romney's statement False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-has-doubled-deficit/

Yet another lie. . .  And one you continue to spew yourself!

[Henry Hawk]

BULLSHIT yourself there bud. . . EVERY single one of the items you posted above from politifact are mostly or partially true. Spin much?  While every single one of the three facts I posted are not only blatant lies, but pants of fire lies! 

And there are more but I chose to stick with the last 3 weeks. . . 

Romney-occhio and Pants on Fire Ryan - A vote for them is a vote to end our nations future.

I calling bullshit PH........Prove it to me.

I went to every PoliticFact source....they said

"The sequester is not something that I've proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed."
Politifact.com
Quote from PolitiFact:
"We rate the statement Mostly False."

"Mitt Romney raised nursing home fees eight times."
Quote from PolitiFact:
"We rate it Mostly False"

"Mitt Romney called the Arizona law a model for the nation."
Quote from PolitiFact:
"We rate the statement False"

and I went to the rest of them........and one called Obama a "Liar, Liar Pants on fire"....NONE that I posted said it was true.

so back it up........I did.

[Henry Hawk]

I see you are just picking and choosing..........leaving out the several Obama lies, and posting a few Romney lies....


THAT IS CALLED SPINNING....