Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

[The Troll]

   Please will someone  please tell me one thing that is redeeming about Mitt Romney and the Republican Party.     

[me]

You know what scares me? That we have voters that ...

Read an article about the mini Ice Age (16th to 19th centuries) where it stated that it got so cold that grapes couldn't be grown in England. Then this person assumed that they were talking about current conditions and posted that "right now" they "can't grow grapes in England."

Read a few excerpts from Obama's book and then asserted that he was a slacker in college, even though it clearly stated that those events took place in high school.

Claimed that Romney's bullying of a gay student and forcibly cutting his hair took place in "grade school" when it was in his senior year of high school.

Claimed that the victim doesn't remember the incident, even though the victim died eight years ago, well before the incident became news.

Tried to weasel out of that statement by claiming she was talking about his parents. Never answered the question "are his parents even alive?"

Yep. Scary indeed!

If Obama's high school and college days and who he associated with have no baring on him as president why does something that is alleged to have happened in Ronmey's elementary school days have any baring on his being president?

And as for your nitpicking things I say apart to try to make them untrue you sure come up with some pretty weak things.  One misstatement of something does not make a fact a lie if the basis for the fact is still intact, drug usage, drinking, hanging with a rough crowd, attending class sparingly.  All still fact.  They could not grow grapes in England for a period of time still fact I just missed it by a few years, well ok a few thousand, non the less it is still a fact.  It is only an alleged incident with Romney because it can't be proven as a fact.  Sure is convenient that the person it supposedly happened to is dead and it just happens to be he was supposedly gay and bullied and the incident came to light right after Obama came out in support of gay marriage.  And for your info the first time I heard it they did say elementary school. And no, it wasn't Fox I was eating lunch at a place that has a TV on for customers and have no clue if it was MSNBC, CNN, or what it was but I do know it wasn't Fox.   Here is an interesting read:

Romney Just One of the Boys In Class of '65
May 21, 2012
Tom Troy and David Yonke
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Teasing, cutting jokes, and pranks were part of the culture of the exclusive private Cranbrook School for boys north of Detroit when Mitt Romney was there in the 1960s.

So were high academic demands, athletics, and a certain naive camaraderie, say members of the class of 1965 who were interviewed by The Blade.

Young Romney, the current presumptive Republican candidate for president, was part of it all.

The men who went though the school with Mr. Romney recalled him not as the most outstanding member of the class, rather just as one of the boys.

A recent Washington Post report documented an incident in which Mr. Romney, as a senior, led a group of other young men in pinning down a younger student in a dorm room and cutting off a shock of his newly bleached blond hair that hung in his face.

Fellow students reached by The Blade said they never heard of the incident and were convinced it happened only because they trust their four classmates who attested to it on the record.

That is essentially the same assessment drawn by Ben Snyder, who was the school's assistant headmaster in 1965. Now retired in Falmouth, Maine, Mr. Snyder said he was unaware of the incident but said he considers students who reported the bullying episode to be trustworthy. "I knew three of the four quite well and they were some of the best kids we had in those days," Mr. Snyder said.

If any Cranbrook faculty would have known about it, it would have been Mr. Snyder, who was chairman of the discipline committee in 1965.

"Given the nature of discipline at the school at the time, it could have brought either suspension or dismissal. It would not have been taken lightly," Mr. Snyder said.

He said the discipline problems in Mr. Romney's class, which had between 65 and 70 students, usually involved drinking and smoking.

Mitt Romney, center, participated in the glee club

If an infraction was reported, a hearing would be held, with resident students represented by a housemaster and day students by a teacher.

"They would be given every right to represent their position and after we finished the discussion, we would decide what the punishment would be and hand it up to the head of the school, who had the right to accept it or modify it," Mr. Snyder said

Mr. Snyder, who served at Cranbrook from 1948-1990, said the term bullying "had not become fashionable" in the 1960s, but any time a problem arose "you would take the culprit to task, and they would realize they had done the wrong thing and had to pay a price."

Robert Sandoe, Cranbrook's headmaster from 1965-72, said he was never informed of any bullying incident involving Mr. Romney. Interviewed at his home in Fort Myers, Fla., Mr. Sandoe, 87, said the school did not have a policy on bullying while he was there.

"Nobody was even thinking about it. There was no bullying and no bullying policy," he said. "One of the nice things about Cranbrook is the kids are nice."

His wife, Frederica Sandoe, described it as "a very orderly school. Everybody wore coats and ties and behaved themselves. Cranbrook was a conventional school founded by someone who wanted a school in the English manner."

She said Mr. Romney was "a well-liked kid, academically good, athletically good. Everybody liked him. We knew his parents very well. And no,  we're not Republicans, so that's not why we're saying it."

http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2012/5/21/romney_just_one_of_the_boys.htm

[Bo D]

If Obama's high school and college days and who he associated with have no baring on him as president why does something that is alleged to have happened in Ronmey's elementary school days have any baring on his being president?

I never said it did. You brought it up.

One misstatement of something does not make a fact a lie

It does if you keep repeating it, even after you have been shown it's a "misstatement."

They could not grow grapes in England for a period of time still fact I just missed it by a few years, well ok a few thousand, non the less it is still a fact. 

What's a few thousand years here and there really matter anyway?    The fact is that you said "They can't grow grapes in England now."

Sure is convenient that the person it supposedly happened to is dead 

Well, no wonder he "can't remember the incident." 

And for your info the first time I heard it they did say elementary school. And no, it wasn't Fox I was eating lunch at a place that has a TV on for customers and have no clue if it was MSNBC, CNN, or what it was but I do know it wasn't Fox.

I'll bet your listening skills are every bit as good as your reading comprehension skills. Yep .... garden slug ....

they trust their four classmates who attested to it on the record.

Well ... there ya go.

[me]

Robert Sandoe, Cranbrook's headmaster from 1965-72, said he was never informed of any bullying incident involving Mr. Romney. Interviewed at his home in Fort Myers, Fla., Mr. Sandoe, 87, said the school did not have a policy on bullying while he was there.

"Nobody was even thinking about it. There was no bullying and no bullying policy," he said. "One of the nice things about Cranbrook is the kids are nice."

His wife, Frederica Sandoe, described it as "a very orderly school. Everybody wore coats and ties and behaved themselves. Cranbrook was a conventional school founded by someone who wanted a school in the English manner."

She said Mr. Romney was "a well-liked kid, academically good, athletically good. Everybody liked him. We knew his parents very well. And no,  we're not Republicans, so that's not why we're saying it."

Mr. Romney has said he doesn't remember the reported incident but told Fox News Radio that "back in high school, I did some dumb things, and if anybody was hurt by that or offended, obviously I apologize."

Mr. Romney switched from day student to boarder when his father, George Romney, became governor of the state. Mitt Romney was involved in social, academic, religious, and athletic activities. He also had a reputation for pranking.

One student recalled that he and Mr. Romney raised money one time by buying the beat-up old car of the art teacher for $50 and then selling fellow students the right to take three swings at the car with a club for a dollar.

"When I saw the [bullying] story I was surprised by it," said '65 classmate Bill Schlecte, now a lawyer in Ann Arbor and a supporter of President Obama. "I would never have considered Mitt Romney a bully."

'A moral thread'

Classmate Mark Mayerstein, a Baptist minister in Albuquerque, N.M., saw another side of Mr. Romney. He said Mr. Romney had a moralistic streak.

Mr. Mayerstein said he was one of a handful of Jewish students at Cranbrook. Years later, he converted to Christianity.

He said he and two other Jewish boys were the target of an anti-Semitic joke by a group of boys who approached them in a dormitory hallway.

He said Mr. Romney had come up behind them and didn't like what he heard.

"He told the three they ought to be ashamed and that they should apologize. When they kept walking and didn't apologize, Mitt apologized to us for them," said Mr. Mayerstein.

"High school kids just don't have the filters that adults have. Mitt seemed to have that one filter that none of us possessed. It was this moral thread. He was the voice of reason sometimes. He would say, 'Do you really want to do that?'" Mr. Mayerstein said.

But he was unable to explain Mr. Romney's reported participation in the incident with John Lauber, who was perceived as homosexual, and indeed came out as gay years later. Mr. Lauber died of cancer in 2004.

The incident came to light about the same time that Mr. Romney's Democratic opponent, President Obama, announced that he personally supports the right of people of the same sex to marry, a reversal of his stance in 2008 when he said he viewed marriage as only being possible between a man and a woman.

Like Mr. Mayerstein, former headmaster Sandoe also saw a moral streak in Mr. Romney when he was a student at Cranbrook -- enough to raise doubts in his mind about the truth of the bullying report.

[The Troll]

  Poor Mitt a multimillionaire son, I wonder if he got any special treatment for that alone.  Everybody can smell the money coming off of him.    Poor Mitt    His dad had to tie a gold coin around his neck to get the other kids to play with him. 

[Bo D]

blah, blah, blah .....

This isn't about Romney or Obama. It's about your repeated lying. Either that or your listening and reading skills being equal to a garden slug. Take your pick.

[The Troll]

   Please will someone  please tell me one thing that is redeeming about Mitt Romney and the Republican Party.     

 
  This is terrible, no one can tell me one redeeming thing about Romney or the Republicans.  Doesn't that tell you something about the most evil party and it's candidate.   

[libby]

He knows how to make lots more money for rich people?

Seriously, somewhere earlier in this thread I mentioned an article in the Washington Post regarding Romney and some other classmates bullying a gay student. Well, I finally had time to go a'lookin' and here it is. This account is significant because it names the names of the other students who participated in or witnessed the bullying led by Romney.  And, it was not in grade school. He was a high school senior. The incident was "recalled similarly" by five students who gave their accounts independently of each other. The names and other data re: four of them are provided.
 
The Washington Post
Mitt Romney's prep school classmates recall pranks, but also troubling incidents
By Jason Horowitz, Published: May 10, 2012
| Updated: Friday, May 11, 2:00 PM

BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich. — Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn't having it.

"He can't look like that. That's wrong. Just look at him!" an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann's recollection. Mitt, the teenage son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber's look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school's collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber's hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. Four of them — Friedemann, now a dentist; Phillip Maxwell, a lawyer; Thomas Buford, a retired prosecutor; and David Seed, a retired principal — spoke on the record. Another former student who witnessed the incident asked not to be identified. The men have differing political affiliations, although they mostly lean Democratic. Buford volunteered for Barack Obama's campaign in 2008. Seed, a registered independent, has served as a Republican county chairman in Michigan. All of them said that politics in no way colored their recollections.

"It happened very quickly, and to this day it troubles me," said Buford, the school's wrestling champion, who said he joined Romney in restraining Lauber. Buford subsequently apologized to Lauber, who was "terrified," he said. "What a senseless, stupid, idiotic thing to do."
"It was a hack job," recalled Maxwell, a childhood friend of Romney who was in the dorm room when the incident occurred. "It was vicious."

"He was just easy pickin's," said Friedemann, then the student prefect, or student authority leader of Stevens Hall, expressing remorse about his failure to stop it.

The incident transpired in a flash, and Friedemann said Romney then led his cheering schoolmates back to his bay-windowed room in Stevens Hall.

Friedemann, guilt ridden, made a point of not talking about it with his friend and waited to see what form of discipline would befall Romney at the famously strict institution. Nothing happened.

© The Washington Post Company

[me]

Yep, confirmed no one is good enough to run against Obama so he should remain on unopposed forever.  Damn what a guy. 

Now as far as the Washington Post article goes I think you'd better read the one I posted Libby. 

[followsthewolf]

What a laugh.

The headmaster knew that there was no bullying in his school.





And, on top of that, I call bull shit.

[me]

It must be wonderful to be as perfect as a liberal and never make a mistake.  And you're all so smart too....I'm really amazed now that I think about it how a conservative could ever be intelligent enough to become a doctor, scientist, or teacher, not to mention an attorney.  Damn wouldn't the world be so perfect if only we were all liberal and believed the same way.  Gosh just think we could all live the perfect life on cradle to grave care and let the rich support us. 

[Palehorse]

 

[The Troll]

It must be wonderful to be as perfect as a liberal and never make a mistake.  And you're all so smart too....I'm really amazed now that I think about it how a conservative could ever be intelligent enough to become a doctor, scientist, or teacher, not to mention an attorney.  Damn wouldn't the world be so perfect if only we were all liberal and believed the same way.  Gosh just think we could all live the perfect life on cradle to grave care and let the rich support us. 

  These intelligent conservatives you talk are usually rich to super rich and they don't want to be taxed for anything that will hurt their special Republican living, high on the hog and screwing the middle class in the process.

  But with you,  who has hardly two dimes to rub together will keep drinking the Republican Party Kool-Aid.     

[me]

  These intelligent conservatives you talk are usually rich to super rich and they don't want to be taxed for anything that will hurt their special Republican living, high on the hog and screwing the middle class in the process.

  But with you,  who has hardly two dimes to rub together will keep drinking the Republican Party Kool-Aid.     

Ah, the all knowing all seeing Troll.  Being a liberal gives him insight into all people's lives. 

[The Troll]

Ah, the all knowing all seeing Troll.  Being a liberal gives him insight into all people's lives.

  So you have been lying to us.  You're rich, living in a gated community in Anderson.  Well, they say you can't judge a book by it cover.  You're a rich Republican.    I always thought you said you were poor as a church mouse.