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Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

Started by The Troll, May 24, 2010, 09:03:16 AM

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The Troll


  How low can they go.   :rolleyes:

  Yesterday two of the biggest anti-union scabs, the supporters of Scott Walker, John Kasich, Mitch Daniels and Bobby Jindal the destroyers of state workers right to belong to a union and robbers of state workers.

  Scab Mitt Romney and 9/11 Giuliani walked with pizzas into a union shop.  The union shop was a New York fire department.  9/11 Giuliani disliked by the NYFD and scab Mitt Romney had the balls to walk into union shop.

  They should have been throwed out on their asses.  These people are sure not a friend to a working man or woman.  These kind of people will do anything to win.  Lying is one of them.  :angry:  :trustme:

Bo D

Before you all start screaming that this is just another liberal wacko ...  Norman Ornstein is a resident scholar for the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank.

His new book with Thomas Mann "It's Even Worse Than it Looks" tells us what most of us really already knew. He just says it better.

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"One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition."

Mann and Ornstein posit that democracy in America is being endangered by extreme politics. From the first day of the Obama administration, Ornstein says, our constitutional system hasn't been allowed to work.

"When we did get action, half the political process viewed it as illegitimate, tried to undermine its implementation and moved to repeal it," Ornstein says.

"It disarms the electorate in a democracy when you really need an ideological outlier to be reined in by an active, informed public,"

no denying the impact of broad changes in America's wider political environment — most importantly the ideological polarization of the political parties — on how Congress went about its work. We documented the demise of regular order, as Congress bent rules to marginalize committees and deny the minority party in the House opportunities to offer amendments on the floor; the decline of genuine deliberation in the lawmaking process on such important matters as budgets and decisions to go to war; the manifestations of extreme partisanship; the culture of corruption; the loss of institutional patriotism among members; and the weakening of the checks-and-balances system.

we observed some improvement after the Democrats regained control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections, the most problematic features of the system remained.

Republicans greeted the new president with a unified strategy of opposing, obstructing, discrediting, and nullifying every one of his important initiatives. Obama reaped an impressive legislative harvest in his first two years but without any Republican engagement or support and with no apparent appreciation from the public.

the fact that, however awkward it may be for the traditional press and nonpartisan analysts to acknowledge, one of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. When one party moves this far from the center of American politics, it is extremely difficult to enact policies responsive to the country's most pressing challenges.


http://www.npr.org/books/titles/151524728/its-even-worse-than-it-looks-how-the-american-constitutional-system-collided-wit?tab=excerpt

http://www.npr.org/books/titles/151524728/its-even-worse-than-it-looks-how-the-american-constitutional-system-collided-wit?tab=excerpt#excerpt
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Couldn't have said it better myself.


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Palehorse

Quote from: Olias on May 03, 2012, 09:42:58 AM
Before you all start screaming that this is just another liberal wacko ...  Norman Ornstein is a resident scholar for the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank.

His new book with Thomas Mann "It's Even Worse Than it Looks" tells us what most of us really already knew. He just says it better.

...................................................

"One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition."

Mann and Ornstein posit that democracy in America is being endangered by extreme politics. From the first day of the Obama administration, Ornstein says, our constitutional system hasn't been allowed to work.

"When we did get action, half the political process viewed it as illegitimate, tried to undermine its implementation and moved to repeal it," Ornstein says.

"It disarms the electorate in a democracy when you really need an ideological outlier to be reined in by an active, informed public,"

no denying the impact of broad changes in America's wider political environment — most importantly the ideological polarization of the political parties — on how Congress went about its work. We documented the demise of regular order, as Congress bent rules to marginalize committees and deny the minority party in the House opportunities to offer amendments on the floor; the decline of genuine deliberation in the lawmaking process on such important matters as budgets and decisions to go to war; the manifestations of extreme partisanship; the culture of corruption; the loss of institutional patriotism among members; and the weakening of the checks-and-balances system.

we observed some improvement after the Democrats regained control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections, the most problematic features of the system remained.

Republicans greeted the new president with a unified strategy of opposing, obstructing, discrediting, and nullifying every one of his important initiatives. Obama reaped an impressive legislative harvest in his first two years but without any Republican engagement or support and with no apparent appreciation from the public.

the fact that, however awkward it may be for the traditional press and nonpartisan analysts to acknowledge, one of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. When one party moves this far from the center of American politics, it is extremely difficult to enact policies responsive to the country's most pressing challenges.


http://www.npr.org/books/titles/151524728/its-even-worse-than-it-looks-how-the-american-constitutional-system-collided-wit?tab=excerpt

http://www.npr.org/books/titles/151524728/its-even-worse-than-it-looks-how-the-american-constitutional-system-collided-wit?tab=excerpt#excerpt
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

And this begs the question; Why? (Rhetorical as it may be.)
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Olias on May 03, 2012, 09:42:58 AM
Before you all start screaming that this is just another liberal wacko ...  Norman Ornstein is a resident scholar for the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank.

but Ornstein considers himself a centrist..and Thomas Mann is from the Brookings Institute a liberal think-tank....

I'm not disputing your opinion or his book....but he is not a voice of consrvatives...just wanted to throw that in...and I'm sure it won't mean diddly squat to ONE person on here...but I feel better... ;D

as to my opinion, is it remotely possible, that Obama's steadfast move to pass a nearly trillion dollar spending bill, that consrvatives did not like had something to do with it?   The fact that he was steadfast on passing a HC Bill, that NOBODY knew what all was in the bill has something to do with the fact that perhaps some people OPPOSED his moves?
The fact that he told REPUBLICANS to get out of the way, MIGHT had a little something to do with the tone of getting anything done?



"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

That the repugnican party is currently poised to hoist a Mormon Multi-Millionaire as its "choice" for the presidency, is beyond ludicrous!  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

The party is completely out of touch with its citizens, especially those "x-tian conservatives" that are so prejudiced in their constitution. Do they not realize that the zealot x-tian sector of the population will likely not even consider voting for the man because he is a member of what they have for centuries considered a "cult"?  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

They don't care is the most likely answer to that question. They are busy worshiping at the feet of those with the most money. Period. And they do not care who they trample along the way. (As has already been clearly demonstrated over the last 4 years).
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2012, 10:06:01 AM
the Brookings Institute a liberal think-tank....


Really?

"To this day, Brookings is commonly, and inaccurately, dubbed "liberal" (e.g., Baltimore Sun, 8/9/98; Cincinnati Enquirer, 7/30/98; Dallas Morning News, 7/1/98; AP, 5/29/98). CBS News correspondent Bernard Goldberg even publicly chastised one of his colleagues for not tagging Brookings as "liberal" in his reporting (Wall Street Journal op-ed, 2/13/96). It's called "centrist" almost as often, but never "conservative," though that label would be more accurate than "liberal."

In fact, much of Brookings' top brass has come from Republican administrations. Its current president, Michael Armacost, was an undersecretary of state for the Reagan administration and ambassador to Japan under Bush."

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1436
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Olias on May 03, 2012, 10:24:07 AM
Really?

"To this day, Brookings is commonly, and inaccurately, dubbed "liberal" (e.g., Baltimore Sun, 8/9/98; Cincinnati Enquirer, 7/30/98; Dallas Morning News, 7/1/98; AP, 5/29/98). CBS News correspondent Bernard Goldberg even publicly chastised one of his colleagues for not tagging Brookings as "liberal" in his reporting (Wall Street Journal op-ed, 2/13/96). It's called "centrist" almost as often, but never "conservative," though that label would be more accurate than "liberal."

In fact, much of Brookings' top brass has come from Republican administrations. Its current president, Michael Armacost, was an undersecretary of state for the Reagan administration and ambassador to Japan under Bush."

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1436

according to wiki:

The Washington Post has described Brookings as centrist and liberal.The Los Angeles Times described Brookings as liberal-leaning and centrist before concluding these labels made no sense. In 1977, Time Magazine described it as the "nation's pre-eminent liberal think tank". Newsweek has described Brookings as centrist while Politico has used the term "center-left."
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2012, 10:29:32 AM
according to wiki:

The Washington Post has described Brookings as centrist and liberal.The Los Angeles Times described Brookings as liberal-leaning and centrist before concluding these labels made no sense. In 1977, Time Magazine described it as the "nation's pre-eminent liberal think tank". Newsweek has described Brookings as centrist while Politico has used the term "center-left."

Did you deliberately do that? Are you leaving out parts to deliberately mislead?

From your 'wiki' article .... the part you conveniently left out ...

"In 2008, The New York Times published an article where it referred to the "conservative Brookings Institution"

In any case, the Brookings Institute is rarely described as "liberal."

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Olias on May 03, 2012, 10:52:25 AM
Did you deliberately do that? Are you leaving out parts to deliberately mislead?

From your 'wiki' article .... the part you conveniently left out ...

"In 2008, The New York Times published an article where it referred to the "conservative Brookings Institution"

In any case, the Brookings Institute is rarely described as "liberal."



All I did was point out those who deem them as liberal or leaning liberal.  I don't think they are "rarely" described a such.
Btw, Strobe Talbott the president of Brookings institute since 2002, IS a Democrat and forme dep sec of state under Clinton.


but, I am not going to argue...it is YOUR opinion.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

libby

more according to wiki:

Some liberals argue that despite its left-of-center reputation, Brookings foreign policy scholars were overly supportive of Bush administration policies abroad. Matthew Yglesias, for example, has pointed out that Brookings's Michael O'Hanlon frequently agrees with -- and appears on stage with -- scholars from conservative organizations such as the American Enterprise Institute, The Weekly Standard, and the Project for a New American Century. Similarly, Brookings fellow and research director Benjamin Wittes is a member of the conservative Hoover Institution's Task Force on Natural Security and Law.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

me

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/04/30/norman-ornstein-to-the-press-corps-stop-covering-the-gop-fairly-to-stop-their-success/




Norman Ornstein to the Press Corps: Stop Covering the GOP Fairly to Stop Their Success

Nothing says marginal extremism like holding the US House, most statehouses, most governorships, and a plurality of national party ID.

Posted by Erick Erickson (Diary)

Monday, April 30th at 10:16AM EDT
31 Comments
"It is a soft form of the liberal fascism about which I've been warning. The GOP must be painted as extremist by the press, their point of view must be painted as fringe, and they must be shut up because they are too damn successful."

Norman Ornstein is the in house pet liberal
at the American Enterprise Institute who they let out of his cage once in a while to lament the free market, conservatives, and the like. I'm not sure why groups like the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute ever allow their supposed scholars to team up with the Brookings Institute, but whenever they do it results in intellectual underwear stains for both organizations.

In today's quasi-bipartisan inane ramblings, Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institute want the Washington Press Corps to know the GOP is extremist, destroying the country, and they should all stop paying attention to the GOP or treating them with balance.
Trump 2020

Bo D

Quote from: me on May 03, 2012, 12:31:16 PM
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/04/30/norman-ornstein-to-the-press-corps-stop-covering-the-gop-fairly-to-stop-their-success/




Norman Ornstein to the Press Corps: Stop Covering the GOP Fairly to Stop Their Success

Nothing says marginal extremism like holding the US House, most statehouses, most governorships, and a plurality of national party ID.

Posted by Erick Erickson (Diary)

Monday, April 30th at 10:16AM EDT
31 Comments
"It is a soft form of the liberal fascism about which I've been warning. The GOP must be painted as extremist by the press, their point of view must be painted as fringe, and they must be shut up because they are too damn successful."

Norman Ornstein is the in house pet liberal
at the American Enterprise Institute who they let out of his cage once in a while to lament the free market, conservatives, and the like. I'm not sure why groups like the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute ever allow their supposed scholars to team up with the Brookings Institute, but whenever they do it results in intellectual underwear stains for both organizations.

In today's quasi-bipartisan inane ramblings, Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institute want the Washington Press Corps to know the GOP is extremist, destroying the country, and they should all stop paying attention to the GOP or treating them with balance.

One man's opinion. One man who just happens to be one of those far right extremists that Ornstein and Mann are trying to warn us about.

e.g., He presents this quote as an example of his "liberal fascism."

"Our advice to the press: Don't seek professional safety through the even-handed, unfiltered presentation of opposing views. Which politician is telling the truth? Who is taking hostages, at what risks and to what ends?"

What is wrong with finding out who is telling the truth? What are you people afraid of?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

Quote from: Olias on May 03, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
What is wrong with finding out who is telling the truth? What are you people afraid of?

Adherence to the truth has never been their strong point.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

Obstructionist republicans block progress

Even before the president took office, republicans began hammering on Mr. Obama, questioning his citizenship, of all things.  Since then, the party has been unified in opposing every initiative, all legislation, and every idea put forward by the administration.

For instance

although it was former president Bush and the republicans who got the ball rolling on the bail-out of Wall Street, the moment Mr. Obama took office, that became a really bad idea that irresponsibly increased the deficit.

It was, after all, Mr. Bush and the Republican Party that declared war on terrorists and launched two extraordinarily costly military offensives while simultaneously cutting taxes for the rich.  The impact of these policies on the federal debt and the deficit has been predictably detrimental.

The so-called "debate" over health care reform has been derailed by a transparent tactic embraced by the Republican Party to frighten the American people.  The ridiculous notion that it is a socialist plot to reallocate vast sums of money so every American has access to health care is as baseless as it is disingenuous.

republicans have tied the legislative process in knots, opposing practically every reform and neglecting virtually every responsibility of that branch of government.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obstructionist-republicans-block-progress
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan